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12 years 8 months ago #10694 by recarga
:) Welcome to the forum

Sorry but you hurt my feelings when you said basic model. Armalite don't make a basic model
You got an THE ONLY AR10


WELCOME AMIGO.

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12 years 8 months ago #10695 by tankcity43
HA sorry to offend.. meaning after looking at some of the guns on this site i have just a basic gun (non tricked out YET!) I have seen that its one of the better if not best ones to have. Everyone has their opinion.. Sorry.
And also im new to even guns, let alone the the AR family. truthfully i have yet to even hole and AR10, young and never had anyone in the family into guns. So my lack of knowledge hopefully wont run much longer. Only guns ive owned is a Rem 710 7mm 30/30 model 94 and a mossburg 500 12guage, so this is a big jump into a great gun i hope.
Again sorry im just new to this.. Any thoughts on what i could do to make my a10 carbine a deer killing machine will be helpful.

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12 years 8 months ago #10696 by recarga
;) DON'T TAKE IT 2 SERIOUS YOU CERTAINLY KNOW A LOT OF GUNS WHEN YOU WENT WITH ARMALITE.

AS FAR AMMO I LOAD MY OWN BUT FEDERAL MAKES THE ONE WITH SIERRA GAME KING THOSE WILL BE EXCELLENT FOR YOU.

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12 years 8 months ago #10698 by tankcity43
@ recarga

Or anyone else that loads their own .308. What does it break down to on cost of say 20 of you own loaded? i would think about getting into loading my own also but thats all new to me, im not sure if im gonna even get to shoot it as much as id like. No shooting ranges within 100+ miles and only land i have access to is same land i chase whitetail on so that wont work.. would like to be able to stck pile some ammo for it in the future so loading my own would be the best idea.

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12 years 8 months ago #10699 by recarga
Now you are talking. ;)

Reloading is far better than buying ammo and shoot it is a passion
First of all you and I mean you get to be away from what ever you love but you want to be
Apart for a few hours , in my case is my WIFE :woohoo: .

Sorry were I was, o yea reloading yes , a lot of people get to reloading thinking that they R going to
Save a lot , don't get me wrong you DO but not a lot, and you may do depending on what you are reloading
For for instance 9 mm luger umm may be not , 223 rem not close enough , 270 , 30-06, 308,243 ETC Yes
300 win MAG 300 WEATHERBY big saving.

Now in your case 308 in a automatic GUN Yes.

Now you may just want to buy wally ammo at 14 to 18 dollars a box of 20 you know the cheap stuff , it will shoot but don't expect sub MOA groups. Now don't listen to those people that say AR's don't shoot like
Bolt guns ,they do in fact my Armalite with my handloads shoots 1/2 moa all day if I do my part.

Now I can buy a expensive MATCH ammo factory loaded for let's say 45.00 for 20 that's
2.25 a round and this may shoot 3/4" if your RIFLE likes them.
I can reload 20 rounds that those same rounds can be use for competition and hunting.

Hope I didn't confuse you , I tend to over explain my self some times. :blush:
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #10701 by 6-Sigma
Your "basic" AR-10 has 74 parts to it + 2 (scope and magazine), nothing basic about it B)
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #10702 by JeffSavannah
Hi Tank, and welcome to the site. I have found that " www.cheaperthandirt.com " is pretty good place to order ammo. But www.targetsportsusa.com has some really good deals, especially if you are willing to buy a case of ten boxes of 20, free shipping. Throw in the fact of no sales tax and not having to drive to wally world and you are looking at some very good deals... more quality for your buck. Here is an example of an ammo that will no doubt do well in your rifle and would be a good "target plinker" to build confidence instead of create questions in your mind... 99cents a pc to your door.... www.targetsportsusa.com/p-1163-federal-p...oint-ammunition.aspx also check out www.targetsportsusa.com/p-1737-hornady-c...tail-ammunition.aspx - just search their 308 Win. selections and you will find lot's of stuff to try. For hunting... keep this in mind, DO NOT feed conventional soft lead points through your rifle. The Remington "CoreLokt" *pointed* (or other pointed sp's) soft point is really not too much of a problem... just make sure to take your fingernail and clean up any lead flash and trash hanging out around the tip before shooting it.. Some people will say "don't worry about it", but lead will start getting on your feedramps, will start building up in your chamber, and will eventually cause you problems... at least a lot of lead removal. Not to mention that the bullet will deform (unlike the more gentle feed ramps in bolt actions these bullets are intended to be used in) and harm accuracy. You need to stick to ballistic tips pretty much for hunting, like Hornady TAP, Winchester Ballistic Silvertips (a very good choice IMO), Remington Accutips, etc. However, if you are harvesting deer meat as your main goal... at less than a hundred yards these types of ammo will make a nice little mess of a medium sized whitetail deer, and are way more than you need for shorter ranged shots. If you want to talk ammo selection for your hunting situation there are plenty of people that will be glad to help guide you in the right direction. I will help if I can. I have a 16" carbine myself with primary use hunting deer and hogs, and to answer some of your original questions... you are going to be good ballistically out to about 500 to 600 yards maximum. The drop is going to be too much past that with a carbine. If you are going to be hunting deer at ranges longer than that... well.. that's a whole nother realm of discussion. What you have to find out is whether your rifle will shoot hunting worthy ammo accurately enough to make a 500+ yard shot ethical. If you can shoot one inch groups or less consistantly at 100 yards with your A4, perhaps. As far as putting a longer barrel on there... well, tell us more about what distances you would actually encounter in a deer hunting scenario, and we can give you some advice. If you want to hit paper at 1000 yards for the challenge and fun of it... let us know. You will need a longer barrel to do that... however, even with your carbine... to shoot tight groups and kill stuff or targets at more moderate ranges... you will get more out of a trigger upgrade and a free floated handguard than you will a longer barrel. Carbines can be just as accurate even more accurate (all else being equal) in some cases at shorter distances because they "sag" less due to less muzzle weight due to length. You have a light barrel profile with a chrome lined barrel... I believe Armalite promises at least 2" groups for that basic/tactical rifle. Your maxium ethical range for hunting would be I would say 300 yards... as you would be about 6" groups at that distance. Once you shoot a few hundred rounds through it, you'll know more how much and which upgrades you need to take yourself to the next level you want to be at. And again, let us know what your hunting will demand of your gun... and we'll go from there...
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #10704 by tankcity43
Thanks a bunch jeff for you time.. I havnt ever met anyone with this type a gun so never got a chance to know what range it will hit. 300 yrds more enough. yeah id like to get out and hit paper at 600-800 yrds someday but that only be at a range.

Oh yeah any ideas to what trigger and handgauds? those be first thing im doing with it after a scope...
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #10705 by JeffSavannah
Tank, here is a good place to start. ( geissele.com/pdfs/dmr-flyer.pdf ) Obviously you can find this offered on Gunbroker.com or Armslist.com or Cabellas or Brownell's, etc., most likely, for better than direct sales from the company, but these are industry leading triggers that many, many people swear by. It's not the only great trigger out there, but no one will tell you that you made the "wrong choice" if you just go for a Geissele right off the bat. Since you have a pretty darn good "tactical" trigger group already, you probably should lean towards the "match" trigger. I'm not sure (I'm actually looking to upgrade my trigger too, the only thing besides my buttstock that I can upgrade to get any more accuracy, but it will be down the road a few months so I'm not really looking hard at choices yet...) [*edit* most "adjustable triggers" reccomend gunsmith installation, whereas non-adjustable trigger groups can be installed by informed self-installers. Go to www.geissele.com for more information, including how-to videos on installation.] There are other options, JP makes a good adjustable trigger, Timney I've heard nothing but good things about. That's the three ones I've heard are top notch, undoubtedly there are others, perhaps cheaper ones that might be nearly as good. The forum archives should produce some good search results for you, and after you look over that, if you still would like some guidance make a new topic in the right category and I'm sure someone with more experience with actually doing this will help you. I'm interested as well in this since I'm planning on a trigger upgrade myself. One thing I need to do is figure out "how good" my trigger is... since I've never had an AR10 before... I have nothing to compare to this Noveske factory supplied trigger... but it's very crisp, and when a 12 year old neighbor kids picks up a full sized rifle for the first time in his life and shoots a 1" group of three shots at 100 yards, off sand bags, pretty quickly, like this past weekend... I may *not* have much trigger upgrading to do... B) my two sons, 13 and 15 and that neighbor kid hit 2/2 each at water bottles at 200 yards the same day... factory ammo. I don't know whether to be more proud of these youngsters or my rifle... I guess I'll just split it up nice and even... :) About the free floated handguard... first of all it's one of the common do it yourself type changes, look up YT videos, here on the forum, and the manufacturer that sells the model you select can give you precise advice on what you need to do and how you need to do it, pretty simple really. As far as choices... Mine came with a SWS quadrail at 10" length (a speical length that floats over the low profile gas block Noveske uses, an 8" [Armalite AR10] Carbine length gas system, same as yours), that includes built in quick disconnect holes in various places, it's very lightweight, extruded aluminum. You can see pics of my rifle on my "rifle showcase" posts recently". As far as quadrails go, I really like this one. Noveske tends to really think out choices that go into their complete rifles, and I think the SWS quad rail is a very good choice. SWS has an apx. 8" standard model (keep in mind, this may be called "mid length" for an AR15, but it's standard Armalite Carbine length for an *AR10*) that will terminate just short of your standard sized gas block, however if you actually want to get serious about group sizes on paper and at longer distances... I would not mount anything to the rail on the gasblock, put it only on the handguard... kind of defeats the purpose of free floating the rail in the first place if you do. I got some Magpul MOE (I think they are called) polymer snap on rail covers to cover the part of the rail that goes against my back when slung on my back, and the spot between the magazine well and the vertical grip I put on (also a Magpul) where the side/top of your thumb rests. That seems to take care of any of the drawbacks of a quadrail for carrying a weapon slung... like in hunting situations... but if you do not need so many rails and want something more suitable to field carry, I would reccomend the Troy Battle Rail... it's a tubular aluminum design with holes cut out that can have short rails attached just about whereever you want them to be to mount something, but otherwise it's smooth and tubular. I think they have different models with built in mini-rails at certain spots, and a continous top rail if you want. I like those a lot. If I were you, I would decide what is most important to you... and get the perfect free floated handguard to best cover all your intended uses, versatility without having to change it out being highest in priority. But handguard choices are legion. The two I've mentioned are very popular types, and both very good products specifically. Two days until rifle in your hands right?... I bet you are stoked... here are two pics that show you how the SWS looks...
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12 years 8 months ago #10706 by tankcity43
Yes indeed couple days till im the happiest guy in SE kansas.. :woohoo:
Them pics u sent are exactly what im wanting to set mine up to look like, You have helped me more then u may know thanks.. seems like no matter how much u read about this gun it is gonna be a major learning experence..
with the trigger it may be while intill i upgrade, might as well see how it shoots as is, might be able to get me thru this next deer season, or who knows..
as far as a gunsmith around here i think i may be S.O.L. so im hoping i can do alot of work my self, also have alot of military buddies that can help show me the steps. so for things thats gonna take a gunsmith i may hold off on till i have few parts needed done, instead of sending it off couple times a yr. Sure once i have it in my hands i will be hard to send back off for awhile. ha..
And again thanks for ur time helping this clueless newbie i will be on this site alot.. 12 hrs in 2 days and i dont even have the gun yet so watch out!! :woohoo:

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