Armalite Super SASS vs Knights Armament SR25EM

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14 years 4 months ago #5075 by Engineer
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Excellent observation. I am pretty sure that ArmaLite's earlier (3 years ago?) literature stated .5 MOA for the AR-10T. I bought some Hornady match to shoot against the hand loaded ammo that I had been using in the 10T. I know that when working up loads using 155 Palma and 168 MatchKing I did get variations from 1/2" up to 1 1/2" when I used a powder/bullet that it didn't like. When I talked to Tim at ArmoLite he stressed factory ammunition (no warranty with handloads), and he recommended buying a box of as many of the defferent "Match Grade" ammunitions that I could find in order to get the best results.

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Barry

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14 years 4 months ago - 14 years 4 months ago #5077 by mrraley
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Engineer wrote:

Excellent observation. I am pretty sure that ArmaLite's earlier (3 years ago?) literature stated .5 MOA for the AR-10T. I bought some Hornady match to shoot against the hand loaded ammo that I had been using in the 10T. I know that when working up loads using 155 Palma and 168 MatchKing I did get variations from 1/2" up to 1 1/2" when I used a powder/bullet that it didn't like. When I talked to Tim at ArmoLite he stressed factory ammunition (no warranty with handloads), and he recommended buying a box of as many of the defferent "Match Grade" ammunitions that I could find in order to get the best results.

Thanks,
Barry


It even sugust that in the owners manual too. Part of the ammo that it talks about is from 150gr to 175gr with 168's being optimal.

One thing that I have found is that no one bullet type will act the same in two seperate barrels either. That I have not figured out why but it does.

I would also sugust checking out ArmaLites' web site. Look through the library to see the tech notes and updated owners manuals. All items are available for down load and kept for reading at a later time.
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14 years 4 months ago #5082 by BUILDING MY SASS
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Mr. Raley...
"Alot of that has to do with the way the individual shoot has been brought up, the propper maintenance of the rifle, the type of ammo used in the rifle, the glass that is on the rifle, the alignement of the stars, the weather, and so on and so on."

Thanks for confirming that....we must have had the same teacher...or they attended the same school at least... :laugh:
BMS

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14 years 4 months ago #5083 by Engineer
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Weather can do interesting things while shooting. The most accurate production rifle I owned was a Ruger 220 Swift. The day was cool with rain now and then. The ammo was loaded with Sierra varmint bullets. I put three shots in one hole, the 4th was off the target, but 5th and 6th made a nice group of 5 shots in about 7/16ths of an inch. The best we could figure was that number 4 was deflected by a rain drop.

I went by the local black rifle shop to pick up an ARMS bipod adapter last night and the tech guy had finished a DPMS .308 build that he could not get to shoot well. He said that he had built several that worked fine, but not this particular rifle. We went through the typical problems and he had done about everything but replace the barrel. He had even had the barrel re-crowned. Most rifles perform well or respond to changes as you expect, but now and then you get one that just won't shoot well.

I was looking at a M110 article and it appeared that the KAC does not have a forward assist. Is this true?

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Barry

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14 years 4 months ago #5085 by BUILDING MY SASS
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On the forward assist...from what I seen, yes it is...
My A4 CB doesn't either...it was the last year before the introduced it...they did so because of "mil-spec" needs for the Military..Really they don't even need it with the AR-10...or at least so I have been told...
BMS

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14 years 4 months ago #5088 by Engineer
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My earlier AR-10T does not have forward assist. It does have a 24" barrel and shoots very well. The upper with forward assist is available, but the bolt carrier with the FA grooves is not available. MSH said that the DPMS bolt carrier is a drop in replacement. It is probably not normally needed. I have owned a hald dozen different AR-15s and I think it is needed on those. I guess the other solution is to have a loose chamber like the AK-47.

One good use for the forward assist is to put a cartridge in an empty chamber without a lot of noise. You can pull the charging handle and ride it down slowly. Normally the bolt will not seat, so you can use the forward assist to make sure the bolt is fully forward. My 10T will get it someday.

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14 years 3 months ago #5162 by Engineer
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My mistake on the ArmaLite bolt carrier. It is available from ArmaLite. About two months ago I decided to change the older 10T to include the forward assist. At that time the upper action with the forward assist was not available. I called last week about it, and found that they are in stock, though you must call in the order. The barrel wrench (crows foot) is not available, the tech fellows recommended a wrench from Brownell.

The action blocks arrived and they had a couple of magnets inserted near the upper part of each block. They hold the blocks to your vise, a nice touch.

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Barry

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14 years 3 months ago #5165 by MrMarty51
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That is a nice touch,"usually" anything requiring any type of tool,the tool must be ordered seperately.Nice bonus from Armalite for sure.

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14 years 3 months ago #5188 by Redneck_Riot
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Hey fellow members, I am new to this site and a new Armalite Super SASS owner. I am a JSOC member and have had real world experience in Afghanistan with the M110. I will tell you that IMHO Knights makes a great gun, there is no question that it flat out shoots and does what it was built to do, put down anyone on the business end in a medium engagement range of 6-800 meters, all the while placing more shots on target than a bolt gun. The rifle is built to withstand the kind of punishment day in day out that a soldier puts his weapon through, and remains dependable and accurate enough to kill the enemy. Civilians seem to be so hung up on Mil Spec and do not realize that they will most likely never use there weapon enough or put it through enough abuse to justify the additional expense over non mil spec.

Having been able to shoot both rifles, I will say for civilian target shooting and or the occaisional hunt, the Armalite is better suited than the knights. I prefer the knights trigger as it is lighter, but I like the magpul PRS stock of the Armalite much more than the standard M16 style on the M110, I also like that my SASS cost a heck of allot less! I think that people are so wrapped up in the endless pusuit to obtain the "Best" rifle that they lose sight of what they are intending to use it for in the first place, and this imo is the thing to consider most when buying any firearm. I do not get wrapped around the axle on what is most popular, my money goes to the rifle that suits my needs the most for the dollar spent. Make a list of your expectations and the the features most important to you, weigh in what type of shooting you do most and then buy the rifle that meets your criteria.the thing to remember is, No two shooters will ever have the exact same experience given the exact same weapon, so don't put so much emphasis on ratings and others opinions and rely more on your's fomulated through putting rounds down range.

Lets be realistic, with the exception of the professional marksman most of us will never need a rifle that has been battle proven, most of us cannot shoot accurately enough to fuss over whether or not a rifle is capable of sub moa accuracy because we have not had the years of dedicated training and fired the many thousands of rounds it takes to hone those mastery skills. I am at the range quite regularly in my unit and on a good day with perfect conditions I shoot between .5 and .75 moa but lets be clear two center mass shots aimed in the thoracic cavity will be catastrophic and this target area is big enough that even a 2moa at 100 meters will be lethal. I think shot placement under pressure is far more an important skill to have than bench rest type accuracy. thats my two cents to add to the kitty, hopefully it will be of some use.

Armalite Super SASS rifle is accurate, a quality crafted rifle that will serve my pupose for years to come, and even with my night force glass it still is cheaper than the Knights SR25. Buy Armalite and the best glass you can afford, and with all the cash you saved over the SR25 buy lots of ammunition and practice til you are a master.

Good luck-

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14 years 3 months ago #5192 by BUILDING MY SASS
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I have to say sir....BRAVO.
Thanks for that input...and I would have to agree on some of what you said...well I say some because I have no experience with the KAC, but I like what you stated at several points in that post..and again I agree..I one day hope to own a SUPER SASS or at the very least and upper for my AR-10...
Once again, good post...
BMS

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