Armalite Super SASS vs Knights Armament SR25EM

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14 years 4 months ago #4951 by Room 055
Armalite Super SASS vs Knights Armament SR25EM was created by Room 055
My current medium to long range platform is an Remington 700 SS 5R 308 mated to a an Accuracy International Chassis System. I've been thinking about adding a semi-auto precision shooter to augment the bolt action.

Can you guys give me your opinions between Armalite's Super S.A.S.S. and Knight's Armament's SR25 Enhanced Match?

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Room 055

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14 years 4 months ago #4952 by Eleven Bravo
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I am interested in this opinion as well. My current long range platform is an Armalite AR-30 in .338 LM with a Leupold Mark 4 for glass. Very, very acurate but I'm looking at both of these. I'm not happy with the Fulton Armory and wanting either the Armalite or the KA.

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14 years 4 months ago #4954 by BUILDING MY SASS
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Well for cost, they run about the same...I know the SASS is about 3K,
Finding the actual price on the SR-25 is tough...being you have to go through their dealers rather than the company...that is the other thing....KAC will not deal with the customer....again you have to go through the dealers...I tried to talk to their customer service dpt for one of our members...and they told me to call my local dealer..
There are other issues with the KAC...last I read or heard...they where using a standard M-16 bolt catch, and as you know...with the .308, well it just doesn't hold up like the heavier one on the SASS..ArmaLite has beefed up so to speak...most everything on their AR-10s and The Super SASS....
But if I would have to pick one...it would be customer service...there is none with Knights....
BMS

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14 years 4 months ago #5002 by Eleven Bravo
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List price for the SR25EM is $5600 but Impact Guns is selling them for $4500 which is dealer cost.

www.impactguns.com/store/KMC-25870.html

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14 years 4 months ago #5003 by BUILDING MY SASS
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Holy Moses.....I could never manage to find a price...your determination is to be complimented... B)

Well at that price....you could buy a SSASS and have money to spare, and get the adjustable Gas Block...hell for that price if you have the stamp...ArmaLite will put what ever suppressor on it you what..and still have change...
I would say if you are looking toward the combat rifle..then the Super Sass is the ArmaLite you seek...if high end accuracy in on the menu, the The AR-10 T....or the National Match.
Sorry....Dam those things are EXPENSIVE.....Glad I bought my AR-10, everything I have in mine still don't come to that...but I only use it to have fun and well if the SHTF...then I am covered, well out to 6 to 700 yards at least...actually both my ArmaLites combined with all the bell and whistles...wait...it about comes to that, well maybe just a tad more... :dry:
I wish I could give more than my opinion but hey value is something to be considered as well as use, for the money....You guys seem to be leaning more towards the KAC...so if you take that route...you will have to post some pics...I know of only one or two members that have them...
Not sure just what you really want in the rifle...but the ArmaLites have served us well..I have no complaints..mine is always ready to do what I need it to.... ;)
BMS

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14 years 4 months ago #5004 by Room 055
Replied by Room 055 on topic Re:Armalite Super SASS vs Knights Armament SR25EM
The SR25EM seems to be a true match grade rifle through and through. KAC's MOA guarantee is .5 MOA for the SR25EM versus 1 MOA for Armalite's SSASS. That's quite a difference at 700 yards. (3.5 inches versus 7 inches) The question is what's the accuracy worth in $$$ terms? It's very difficult to gunsmith accuracy into a semi-auto firearm after it's built, unlike a bolt action where a lot can be done. It usually starts from the ground up. Shooter variables, trigger, and barrel aside, the action and bolt are the difficult parts to improve on with this type of platform. I guess it all boils down to what the purpose of the rifle is and how much coin you are willing to through at those last few inches?

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14 years 4 months ago #5005 by BUILDING MY SASS
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Well that is impressive... .5 MOA...I take it @ 100 yards..
My A4 C says 2-2.5 MOA @ 100 yards but I have dialed in to around .5 on a good day for me...as I said I am not a comp shooter..Point I am making is with a bit of scope work...you can bring them in tighter than what it says....now out to 700 yards...keeping any rifle on target takes skill...it has been done with stock rifles off the shelf, it all depends on who is pulling the trigger...
On the comparison as to Bolt vs Auto...last article I read they match the two of them up...I would have to dig to find it for the makes...but they where both stock weapons...it was very close...@ 100 yards, I mean we are taking .100 difference...or so but both less than 1 MOA. but at longer ranges...the bolt always came out ahead...being 4 5 600 yards...and most shooter...such as your self will testify to that..right...the whole purpose of the Auto Sniper Rifle...is to be able to deliver more rounds in to the fight or on multiple targets quicker...I believe in the vid with Mac...on future weapons...he did 5 rounds in 10 seconds with a M-24 or the Rem 700....with the auto rifle he did 10 rounds in less than 10 seconds @ 100 yards...There is no replacing the accuracy of the Bolt action rifle...even with the technology today, you can come close but it still comes down to who is pulling the trigger....YES.
Prime example...being I know your and EBs abilities....we could take that TAC driver of yours...you both would hit a fly at 400 yards...me I would be happy if I hit the target....so I think no matter what weapon platform you have or buy....it depends on the person behind the trigger...
BMS

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14 years 4 months ago - 14 years 4 months ago #5006 by Room 055
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BMS, You need to learn a little about long range shooting and rifle accuracy before you make a post like that. Optics have nothing to do with a rifles potential accuracy. A rifles MOA guarantee is based on the rifles capabilities and not the shooters or the optics. It's done using a bench rest and factory match ammo. The shooter is not going to improve on that number unless it's purely by luck that somehow the variables allowed him a mistaken sub-guarantee grouping. I seriously doubt you are shooting your Armalite at .5 MOA. A .X MOA is a measurement that is applicable at any range. For instance .5 MOA (always @ 100 yards BTW) is 1.0 inch at 200, 1.5 @ 300, and 2.0 inches @ 400 yards. Your 1.0 MOA rifle would have a best grouping average at 400 yards of 4 inches. You can't beat the rifles capabilities. I suggest you take a course on long range shooting.

The Gods can shine down on you and you might get a lucky 3-shot group in once in a while, but you can't be statistics and probability. That is one reason why true accuracy checks should be done with 5-shot groups. Only with everything just right can the proficient shooter perform to the .5 MOA gun.
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14 years 4 months ago #5007 by Eleven Bravo
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I'm going to say that I'm impressed with how much your shooting has come along in the last year or so BMS. You can really put 5 rounds in a half inch circle at a 100 yards with that thing? Damn, maybe I will go with the Armalite.

The purpose of this rifle for me is to have a very accurate sniper rifle in a semi automatic platform. I have my Remington Custom 700 for medium range and my Armalite AR30 in .338LM for the really long stuff. I'm not looking for a rifle to lay down supressive fire but rather effective fire. Basically, I'm trying to add another skill set to my folder, so to speak.


Oh, and Mac was shooting at 220 yards.

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14 years 4 months ago #5008 by BUILDING MY SASS
Replied by BUILDING MY SASS on topic Re:Armalite Super SASS vs Knights Armament SR25EM
OK...I will play..then....
I never have claimed to be an expert in LR shooting at any time...my best, which I have stated is 400 yards,,,and the ladder of MOA..I know it...as far as the statement...Just my opinion as to what I have read...that is how one start knowledge..don't you agree.
I said nothing as to any particular about LR shooting..
As I have stated many times on this site...ON A GOOD GOOD DAY I might pull it off..check the gallery...Targets...I never stated that I could do 5 continuous shots...now did I... I said I have pulled down .5 MOA at 100 yards on a good day...I believe is what I said..
I can put it that close on individual targets...I have not been able to do it repeatedly...as I have stated more than once on this site..but I am satisfied with it as it is...it would do "the job" if I had to...if the SHTF...and that is what counts to me....
My best so far to date is 8 out of 11 inside a 12" shoot-n-see target with one just on the edge (so I don't count it) and two to the outside upper right...actually they all where upper right on the target...Again...I never have laid claim to being a "sharp shooter" or an expert in any field...involving weapons...other than what I read and see...well I know where to find just about every accessory for the ArmaLite AR-10...that much is for sure...
Given the details you already know about both rifles...I wonder what we can offer you here...You apparently have much more experience and expertise than even our administrator...who is a comp shooter last I knew...We have some here that are into long range shooting, edge is one of those, and there are a few others as well but they are not present at the moment...and check in periodically...for the most part a majority of use are new shooters and armature shooters with the veterans here as well, who help guide us in "what we don't know" so we can learn and grow...again...not sure what you can learn here but you are welcome to give us the benefit of your expertise and experience.
So by all means...Pick a category and post up some stats...I am sure we all can learn together..
EB...220 yards...hhhmmmm, I guess I missed that, was to busy checking out the gun... :woohoo:
BMS

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