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11 years 7 months ago #23404 by Siscowet
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I had a doe eating buds off a young apple tree today who got the Airsoft BB treatment, and 5:30 this morning a 150 lb or so black bear walked by my bed room patio door. I could hunt from my bed.

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11 years 7 months ago #23405 by Akai
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I have personally knocked out two deer "whitetail" with one shot @ 75 yards! not quite really what I was expecting but upon review "it was what it was" I was shooting a 30-06 and over a Knoll on opening day early around 9:15 and had just crawled down from the tree stand, in the gully there was peaking at me a nice 4x4 so I shot and let it fly! sounded like a positive hit, so I let things cool down a bit, mostly my nerves and upon checking it out not only had I scored on the 4x4 but also a doe that was right behind him, they were almost laying on top of each other. Now, I only had one tag so what to do? after contacting the local game warden who I knew, he issued another permit for "just such an occasion" good thing I had my feathers accounted for! So yes it is possible even with one shot :cowboy:

Dabu wrote: Forgive me for this question, I've never hunted (animals) before.

Would it be possible to knock out two deer of the same group if I had a suppressor and used a reduced load within 200 yards?

If it is possible, please let me know of an ideal reduced load that would be effective on deer within 200 yards.

If this is not possible, I give you permission to point and laugh at me now.:laugh:

Thanks!

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11 years 7 months ago #23407 by txlongshotb4
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I don't think this one will be possible. Deer have some pretty impressive hearing ability. I know most of us hunters have seen deer behave contrary to this, but even a suppressed .308 shooting subsonic rounds sounds like a pneumatic nail gun being fired, and they are going to hear that...rather or not they react to it is anyone's guess.
I do not reload subsonic ammo simply because I do not consider myself a good enough reloader to tackle such a job without fear of a catostrophic baffle strike. Bullet stabilization is critical with a suppressor, and loading subsonic ammo is flirting with the very fringes of stabilization... but I do purchase and use 200 grain Lapua Subsonic ammo from time to time. Subsonic ammo is very much an excersise in physics-what you loose in velocity you have to make up for in bullet weight so as to yeild enough knockdown power...i.e., if you're going to throw something at me softly, it had better be a brick, not a pebble or even a mid sized rock, because it's not going to finish the job. I'm not convinced that loads reduced to subsonic levels have the ability to produce the terminal ballistics needed to kill a whitetail-and certainly not a mule deer. Keep in mind, you only need to consult youtube to see dozens of videos of both of these species of deer survive both arrow and full-charge rifle ammunition strikes to understand that these are very tough animals-it takes a hell of a lot more to kill a deer than it would to end you or me.
As for shooting anything at all outside of 100 yards with subsonics, it gets pretty tricky to be accurate-especially with a bullet that weighs enough to actually impart damage. Using Lapua 200 grain subsonic ammo, I am trying to push a very heavy bullet into the atmosphere with a velocity that is less than half of the velocity I would desire for the same bullet at optimal normal loads...It's going to drop like a rock almost immedeately, and if by some grace it does connect at 100+ yards it will probably not have enough drive behind it to produce the terminal ballistics needed to take a deer.
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11 years 7 months ago #23408 by Siscowet
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Nice write up txlongshotb4.

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11 years 7 months ago #23415 by Dabu
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:laugh: Thanks everyone!

I guess I just need to wait for both deer to line up behind each other or find those heavy bullets that fold out like broad arrowheads. Do those even exist? because I just made that up.

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11 years 7 months ago #23416 by Siscowet
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Don't think so. As far as folding broad heads, they don't work well with crossbows by the way. Too much velocity. It is through the animal by the time they open.

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11 years 7 months ago #23419 by Dabu
Replied by Dabu on topic Suppressed hunting question.
:unsure: hmmmm... Do they have that have bullet with a hard tip that is shaped like a wedge and on impact and split the lead in half but keep the base intact??

Or am I just spending too much time in lala land? Work is really boring today :whistle:

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11 years 7 months ago #23420 by jtallen83
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Like the Nosler partition;
/http://www.nosler.com/bullets/partition.aspx

or do you want two projectiles at termination?

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11 years 7 months ago #23423 by OleCowboy
Replied by OleCowboy on topic Suppressed hunting question.
I am going with Sisco adn 13 Fox on this.

Suppressors bring about a whole new bag o worms on semi auto weapons...threading the bbl and screwing on a can does not guarantee favorable results. Couple that with reduced loads and the equation starts getting deep.

Weapon zero: Sadly old habits are hard to break. One of my buds headed out to West Tex to hunt Mule Deer. He came back and like most was blaming his gun for his lack of success. In our discussion I asked if he had zero'd when he got out there. He said he had zero'd here on Thurs and put the gun in the case and headed out in the AM. I asked what did you zero at and he said 200 yds, same as always. Josh, you zero'd at 200 to go hunt at 300+++ yds....suddenly he got the blank hiway stare as the realization set in why he missed every shot, then he told me how much gas was cheaper out there than here.

I wanted to mention the 5 P's [Proper Planning Prevents Piss-Poor Performance] but didn't.

Take away: Give careful consideration to the AO in which you will operate, if possible visit before hand the exact location that you will be working, especially if you will be hunting from a fixed location such as a tree stand. Friend of mine has a hunting ranch and its done by tree stand. Some of the stands overlook large open fields they are farmed, others are in the brush and trees with known deer trails. In his mail out he tells you what to zero for, from 100 yds to 250 yds.

Deer in heavily hunted AO's are gun shy to begin with and any unusual sound no matter how faint can spook them. I would not worry much about it, just goes with the space...

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11 years 7 months ago #23426 by Dabu
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Something like the nosler, but instead of having a circle shaped diameter of the wound cavity, if they had a bullet that could make a cavity wound like an broad head arrow.

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