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12 years 8 months ago #16561 by OleCowboy
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The answer is multi-fold:
The govt is buying ammo at unprecedented rates. Why DHS needs 40 million rds of 5.56 I have no idea and its causing a LOT of concern. DHS just placed an order for 7000 AR in 5.56. WHY? Even I who understand the scope and mission and as a Program Manager I was spending a budget of around $127 Million per year, much of it in contracts. I bought 7000 Laser Printers, so I have an understanding of the scope of the govt. At the same time I am concerned why some of the agencies are buying in the millions of rds of common ammo. They are NOT in the war fighting business.

That is putting a LOT of pressure on ammo/gun manuf at this time and the big order gets first priority.

Add to that the current insanity of the gun grabbers, Feinstein, Gov of NY screaming like a mad man he is gonna confiscate all guns etc etc.

In the past we had gun and 2nd RKBA folks buying, 2008, under Klinton etc. Now there are a new batch of folks buying: More women, and a lot more people that fall into a broad category of 'Preppers'. In 2008 or under Clinton we did not think the US was going to collapse....A LOT of people do now and its getting worse with every day Congress and Bammy do not act but instead deny we have a problem. More and more people are waking up to the fact that we cannot pay back our current debt...to make this worse, you can go to Whitehouse .gov and look at their budget and projected debt and its expected to be almost $23 TRILLION at the end of his term...this is INSANE. Our economy is in the tank and has been with no end in sight, the lies by the WH or failing more and more to convince people all is good and great.

Guns and ammo is the currency of the 21 century. Lot of people buying guns now that have not in the past. Average wait time on 911 is over 17 min and its you and your family and there is someone coming thru the front door and it ain't the AVON lady.

So a LOT of pressure on the system, and a LOT of liberals who are speaking out for gun control are buying every gun they can get their hands on in their do as I say, don't do as I do. Every single major ANTI GUN person either has a CCW lic or armed body guards, 100%...wonder why?

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12 years 8 months ago #16571 by Sharkey
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I wonder if a lot of these huge orders, backed by the government, are to "tie up" manufacturers due to the civilian run on guns, so that they can pass bills banning them BEFORE people can either order (or back order) or take possession of the new weapons.

The more the government, whether federal or state, ties up the manufacturers, the less guns there will be out there to worry about once this is all settled no matter WHICH way the cards fall.

With the background checks not as stringent as they would prefer, delaying the purchases of ANY weapons right now only works in the favor of the law makers who will hope to get MORE people to fall under the new guidelines rather than being able to stock up now before it all passes... :ohmy:

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12 years 8 months ago #16575 by VTIT
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:I-agree: That same thought comes to my mind. I would hate to think with the size of the deficit that they could get away with spending money this way. But the checks and balance system in our government is so out of whack I believe they could get away with almost anything to push their agenda through. It's not like the manufacturers are going to complain as long as the check clears.

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12 years 8 months ago #16577 by OleCowboy
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Sharkey wrote: I wonder if a lot of these huge orders, backed by the government, are to "tie up" manufacturers due to the civilian run on guns, so that they can pass bills banning them BEFORE people can either order (or back order) or take possession of the new weapons.

The more the government, whether federal or state, ties up the manufacturers, the less guns there will be out there to worry about once this is all settled no matter WHICH way the cards fall.

With the background checks not as stringent as they would prefer, delaying the purchases of ANY weapons right now only works in the favor of the law makers who will hope to get MORE people to fall under the new guidelines rather than being able to stock up now before it all passes... :ohmy:

Like you that is bouncing around in my mind and at this stage, I would not doubt or put ANYTHING past Bammy and crew.

What they want is UNIVERSAL Background checks. Of course its near impossible to find out what that means, so I will tell you what my research has dug up: Universal backgound check System.

1) 100% background check on 100% of all firearms from or to ANYONE, look for them in INCLUDE AMMO in this

2) Want to give you son your Win 94 30-30 your dad gave you,...NOT without a background check!!!!

3) No longer will the record show John Doe bought a weapon from such and such store on this date, the new record keeping system will reflect all the details of the gun itself and yourself, this is commonly referred to as 100% gun REGISTRATION except the GOVT REFUSES to use those terms, instead its UNIVERSAL background check. I am sure we all saw the maps of who owned guns by home address a few weeks ago in the NE US. Now the map will give your name, addy, make and model of the gun and how much and what kind of guns and AMMO you have on hand

Maybe I will be wrong, but Bammy has said he will and can do this WITHOUT CONGRESS...laws by fiat and EO...

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12 years 8 months ago #16579 by Sharkey
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It's not really like they need to keep it up indefinitely either. All they have to do is spend SOME money on VAST orders of stuff that they'll eventually use anyway - they are just choosing NOW to buy it all to monopolize the issue, delay civilian purchases, pass whatever they can and then back off again and let the laws do their things - with many potential buyers THEN backing off completely due to the new regs...

Heck, if I was in charge and trying to pull the crap he's pulling, it's what I would do... :(

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12 years 8 months ago #16592 by Charlie
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:laugh: The same thought had crossed my mind, but it assumes that the current regime is capable of following their gun phobia back to its source. An iffy proposition at best.

In any case it's best to remember that, just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean that they're _*NOT*_ out to get you.

Charlie

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12 years 8 months ago #16594 by Siscowet
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It is sad to say, but keep in mind as well with so much manufacturing "outsourced over the last twenty years, that there are fewer shops, and manufacturers that can make things like cryogenic treated barrels, etc and etc.. When it comes to AR's there are not that many manufacturers of upper and lower units. Armalite makes their own, but a lot of manufacturers are competing for the metal, the forgings, and what else, to manufacture new weapons, and only so many places produce them

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12 years 8 months ago #16599 by OleCowboy
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Got this:

UPDATE: Status of Gun Industry

INVENTORY UPDATE:

We traveled to Texas for industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told.

Smith & Wesson: -is running at full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They
are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.

Remington:-Maxed out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carriers.

LWRC: Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to
make barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nationwide shortage of all calibers
over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ over 1 BILLION
rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime
soon.

RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester , CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo
FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get
caught up.

Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned,
we'll keep you posted...

Related commentary from Bob Owens:

They didn’t know when they’d be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to
pistols. Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn’t come close to keeping up with market
demand. It wasn’t just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that were sold
out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garrands, M1 carbines, and
Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell.

Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants—of which every gun store always seems to have 10-20—were gone.
So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I’ve never seen anything like it.

Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone.

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12 years 8 months ago #16600 by BUILDING MY SASS
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I know when I went to work sunday night, the Pistol side of the ammo case was pretty much empty...except for a few boxes of 410 20 12 slugs and buck shot..
the only center fire round was a LONE box of 30 Carbine..which has been collecting dust...
I almost bought it just to put it in a nice warm safe. :dance: :S
and no, I don't own on...LOL :laugh: just feel sorry for it...
BMS

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12 years 8 months ago #16601 by Siscowet
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Gun control: People are voting with their checkbook.

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