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11 years 9 months ago #17301 by VTIT
WARNING SOME CUSSIN' LONG RANT

I guess I am going to be a criminal. I have been a law abiding citizen my whole life. I served my country in the Army and wrote them a blank check for my life. I have raised my children to be lawful considerate adults. I have never stolen, willfully broken any laws other than the occasional speeding, hell I don't even cheat on my taxes.

This government is going to turn me into a criminal. I look at the criminals on the street and see that they can get every weapon they need, and probably pay less than I do buying them legally. Most of the weapons I own are on the ban list that is being bantered about, and there is no way I am going to just give them away to anyone, even if they flash a badge at me.

I am not going to run a background check on my son or daughter before I loan or give them one of my guns. I am not going to do a background check on a friend I have known my whole life before I loan him a gun. I am also not going to surrender or destroy the LEGAL magazines that came with my guns. If the guy pointing his gun at me can have as many rounds in his magazine as he wants, I am sure as hell going to.

I am not going to go do something crazy like start a street war or threaten my local government. I don't have to do that to be branded a criminal. I can just keep doing what I have been doing. Protecting my family and enjoying a sport afforded to me by the constitution. The media is turning me into some social deviant for just owning a gun.

The sheople of the U.S. no longer run our country, it is run by Political Action Committees and big business. Elections aren't won they are bought and paid for. People don't want to have a say in the way the country is run, that would be taking responsibility. They just want someone to give them everything they need and to make decisions for them. They don't take responsibility for their actions or those of their children.

They don't blame the mass killings on the maniacs that are borne of this irresponsible society. They blame it on the inanimate object that is just one of the many tools this crazy could have used. They take guns out of zones that should be protected. They don't think the people that teach our children the facts of life and are, in most cases, the only stable person in these child's life, are responsible enough to carry a concealed weapon to protect the children. Does that make sense to ANYONE?

I am not alone in this either. I went to the range today. Usually in the winter I don't see anyone around. Today there were 4 other vehicles. I talked to a couple of guys I know and they say the same thing. If it is going to be criminal to keep their weapons, rifles, pistols and ammo then they are going to be criminals. One of the guys is retired from the police department in my town. I have known him all my life. He was one of my instructors at conservation camp when I was 11. He said that he doesn't think that any police officer in this town would ever go into someone's house and ask for their guns. I asked even if it meant his or her job and he thought for a minute and said. "If it meant their job they would probably do it. They would hate it but they would do it."

Putting LEO's and other people in this position. Making them go into a neighbor's or friend's house and do this will break all trust in the government. Maybe that is what we need in the end but to the government that makes this happen I say :censored: YOU. I wash my hands of you. From now on I do what I feel is right for me and mine. if it is illegal I say :censored: YOU. I just lost all my guns and ammo in a freak boating accident. Where is your warrant and have fun finding them.

Sorry this is so long but I have just about had it!

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11 years 9 months ago #17304 by bollox
Empathize. Had it as well.

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11 years 9 months ago - 11 years 9 months ago #17305 by Sharkey
We all feel the same as you VT but this is the part of the fight where getting discouraged and saying " :censored: it" will be on all of our minds, tips of our tongues and in our hearts.

What must REMAIN on our minds though, AND the tips of our fingers is that we still have to press on with what the battle calls for right now, and that is pressing our politicians and EVERYone who will listen with what we know is right and true.

What the "enemy" wants right now is for us all to get tired of THIS kind of fight. Tired of sending letters, donating money to the RIGHT people and continuing to talk to our friends, churches, community organizations and anyone that will listen to recruit them to stand with us - using facts, truth, common sense and steadfast resolve. They WANT us to be weary and discouraged and say "screw it".

What they ALSO want is for us all to leave what is right now "the front lines" and stay at home filling sand bags and hoarding food for when the shit hits the fan - because if we DO, then we WILL be gun nuts - survivalists - preppers - and not any REAL opposition or threat at the polls.

We can't do that though. We MUST press on with what the fight currently calls for.

We are not fighting men in uniform. We're fighting a bunch of suit wearing terrorists that breed hysteria, that LIVE for a "good tragedy" to press their own agendas and they honestly don't even CARE what the facts say - just about what they want.

It's the kind of fight that most of us, realistically speaking, are not good at or trained for. No enemy in your face. No "different colored uniforms" so we know who the enemy is and who our friends are. They are smiling and waving and kissing babies and preaching to scared, weak minded people about protection, safety and flowers for everyone.

This is strange and unrewarding ground for us and we cannot SEE our enemies falling as we gain ground, we can't honestly weigh what we are gaining and we cannot SEE our progress as we battle.

In fact, with so much of the media in the pockets of so many who oppose us, we could very well be winning but the news will STILL show that the gun grabbers are rolling over us like bugs - doing it JUST to make us all feel and talk as you are right now - like radio messages over North Vietnamese radio telling us to give up over and over and over - that there is no hope and we have already lost.

If you've ever known anyone who battled cancer, they will tell you there were MANY times when they just wished they would just die rather than go in for another treatment. That they cried and prayed for it just to be over - one way or another. And then they will tell you how, when the fight is your life, there is no CHOICE but to press on.

This is where we are. We are in between kemo treatments - and we cannot give up.

This is not just our lives, it's our children's lives, our family's and our future generations that we are fighting for and if we falter, if we fade, THEY will suffer worse than us.

So for them, we MUST press on - jaws set - eyes forward - hearts determined - minds focused.

It is all we have at the moment and until the final votes are cast, one way or another, and the gavel falls - I'll not fill a single sandbag - while my fingers can still type, my voice can still be heard, and there are still eyes to read and ears to hear what MY message, OUR message says, stands for, and for the torch that our forefathers fought and died for us to carry.

This is one of those battles we WILL be remembered for - it is our choice, right now, if those will be good memories, or shameful ones.

Don't lost heart my friend. Press on. We need you - and everyone else who believes in our constitution, our country and the futures of our children.
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11 years 9 months ago #17307 by Sharkey

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11 years 9 months ago #17309 by OleCowboy
Certainly everyone is correct and while I hope it never comes to it, the fact is what we know is that LEO's will in fact enter you home, armed with auto weapons grab you and your family, which includes your 88 year old mother, they will attack her using 3 men, beat her, slam her around and threaten her. New Orleans, Katrina, video's are on Youtube. But this is not unusual and can be found world over thru all of history.
Todays LEO is not your dads cop on the beat. Today most Police depts in cities of any size are armed to the teeth and in fact many are armed better than a Infantry/Armored Battalion in the US Army. In most cities this arming and these positions are funded by the Feds, Hitler called them 'Brown Shirts' and later the SS Storm Troopers.

Waco, where 1596 +/- FBI, ATF and who knows what all was there TO INCLUDE the US Army (I PERSONALLY know a LtCol was there, he thinks it was not right, he has many regrets and he also told me there were other military there besides himself)...Waco is the largest mass murder of children in the US since WWII, far more than in Newtown Conn.

History will tell us, the govt will go to ANY MEANS to control its people and if it means murder, no hesitation whatsoever. 4 American dead from drones in the ME...does it make in difference if the Americans were killed in a sandbox or in your backyard on US soil. So far the WH and the head of the CIA have refused to answer that question even when the question came from Congress, the person who will make the call on legality is Eric Holder...FEEL SAFER NOW?

Waco + Klinton + Janet Reno = Murder of American citizens for what???? GUNS!!! Ruby Ridge...GUNS

At 0300 hrs the fone rang in the White House and in the Office of the Sec of State, long distance, person to person from Benghazi = 4 dead Americans

Has anyone been held accountable?

John Kerry is the new Sec of State...FEEL SAFER NOW?

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11 years 9 months ago - 11 years 9 months ago #17310 by BUILDING MY SASS
VT, we all feel as you do...My wife and I have agreed on "if it comes to it" but as Sharkey said...we have to Stand Fast and Strong and not give up and give them what they are Trying to Start...they want us to be discouraged and disheartened and give up hope or Feel the Power from with in and do something Stupid...which will give them even more Cause and Power...
We are Americans and though it does not seem like it...We still have More Power than They Think, without Resorting to want they want...
If the Time comes To "Lock And Load"...We all Stand Together and We All Stand To Loose ALL...
Be Strong and Vigilant in your Beliefs...YOU ARE NOT ALONE... :usa:
but REMAIN Calm and Try to Remember how many others out there are Fighting and Believe as we do...

Sharkey...and Ol Cowboy...Good Posts Both... My Thanks...
BMS...
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11 years 9 months ago - 11 years 9 months ago #17311 by BUILDING MY SASS
VT...maybe this will help...it is one of my Favorite Videos...It always makes my Chest Thump... :cowboy: :usa: :thumbs:
BMS....

TURN IT UP.... :twothumbs:

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11 years 9 months ago #17312 by Sharkey
Cowboy,

I'm beginning to think that your entire reason of posting is just to whip up hysteria along with the politicians so you can hear a few small minded people cheer for your "let's get em" crap.

How, right now, do you propose we defend ourselves against ANY of this? Do you think if you get everyone all frothing at the mouth and "locking and loading" that it will benefit our cause in the LEAST????

Are you offering up any solutions to anything at ALL???

Enough with the paranoia crap.

All we can do RIGHT NOW is fight with the only weapons that will do ANY good and that is letters, phone calls, contributions and common sense.

Getting everyone all worked up because you want to hear people cheer is foolish and shows poor sense and judgement when our ONLY way to fight is with money, votes and recruiting of votes from people we talk to and NOT TO MENTION, people who visit our site.

If every single time someone shows concern, you just sit around adding to it, you are not helping, you are hurting, what is already a bad situation throughout the country.

We don't need to polish our bullets guys. We need to sway people to fight WITH us. NOT scare them away because we are all walking around in camo screaming they are coming they are coming.

We are FAR from that right now and we DO have a chance to slow it's progression if we stay disciplined and fight the way this war is designed to be fought. With some self control, good sense and votes.

NOT like a bunch of crazed, foaming at the mouth gun nuts warning police that we'll be waiting with our guns at the ready...

We don't need Paul Revere to ride through QUITE yet so let's get a handle on it.

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11 years 9 months ago - 11 years 9 months ago #17313 by OleCowboy

Sharkey wrote: Cowboy,

I'm beginning to think that your entire reason of posting is just to whip up hysteria along with the politicians so you can hear a few small minded people cheer for your "let's get em" crap.

How, right now, do you propose we defend ourselves against ANY of this? Do you think if you get everyone all frothing at the mouth and "locking and loading" that it will benefit our cause in the LEAST????

Are you offering up any solutions to anything at ALL???

Enough with the paranoia crap.

All we can do RIGHT NOW is fight with the only weapons that will do ANY good and that is letters, phone calls, contributions and common sense.

Getting everyone all worked up because you want to hear people cheer is foolish and shows poor sense and judgement when our ONLY way to fight is with money, votes and recruiting of votes from people we talk to and NOT TO MENTION, people who visit our site.

If every single time someone shows concern, you just sit around adding to it, you are not helping, you are hurting, what is already a bad situation throughout the country.

We don't need to polish our bullets guys. We need to sway people to fight WITH us. NOT scare them away because we are all walking around in camo screaming they are coming they are coming.

We are FAR from that right now and we DO have a chance to slow it's progression if we stay disciplined and fight the way this war is designed to be fought. With some self control, good sense and votes.

NOT like a bunch of crazed, foaming at the mouth gun nuts warning police that we'll be waiting with our guns at the ready...

We don't need Paul Revere to ride through QUITE yet so let's get a handle on it.

Well lets see here shark...I read your diatribe, then I went back and read what I wrote, then I read yours again, then I read mine just to make sure.
1) Read mine again when you have had maybe less coffee
2) Where in the hell did you come up with all this? Paranoia, sounds like you got a bad case of it
3) You even quote me on things I did NOT say at all, even remotely, I made no suggestions that anyone run around in camo's and start shooting or anything else..HEY Shark, I TOOK my pills this am, did you?
4) What I clarified was a point, based UPON FACTS of what govt's can and will do. 50 million dead from wars over the past 100 years vs 160-220 million dead from govts out of control, murdering their own people, over the past 100 years. That my friend is REALITY! Deal with it! Know it! And a few words of advice from an old soldier...DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE your enemy!!!

Shark, WE are at war, whether you know it or not. The END GAME, is NOT about GUN CONTROL, its about Control over the people, that is you and me.

Solution: WHY would I need a solution when we have the 2nd Amendment...oh YOU are RIGHT, we do need a solution here, that in itself tells me we have a REAL PROBLEM in the USA when we have a White House, POTUS, Congressmen and women, Mayors, Police Chiefs, Governors across this nation that are screaming "we will CONFISCATE YOUR GUNS", require a $1Million gun insurance policy, outlaw gun manuf, register you guns etc etc etc.

That said what is our solution: Well if I knew that I might not be sitting here on the ranch writing this. BUT YOU hit upon some things we can do, which is what we have been doing all along, but who is in the White House...how is that vote thing working out for you?

Allow me to add some things:
I joined the NRA as a LIFE MEMBER

I write OpEds for a couple of newspapers, the last one was on Guns, many of the things I have mentioned here were included, it was published in 2 newspapers, you too can write in Letters to the Editor

I give talks to groups on this subject, you can too

I tell everyone to join the NRA, go get a concealed handgun license, go buy a gun, go buy some ammo, go to a shooting range

Get involved in local politics, tell them about the 2nd Amendment, tell them the Revolutionary War was started when the Brits tried to confiscate our guns over here. Go to your County and State and National GOP conventions I did

Speak to women's groups, tell them to get a CCL, offer to take them to the range, help them buy a gun...23 women took my advice last year and got a CCL

Go to the NRA Convention in Houston Texas, May 3-5, wife and I are booked, she has her CCL and is a NRA Life Member, we have asked others to attend and support...SEE YOU THERE SHARK! www.nraam.org

Meet with your US reps. I stood up in a meeting a couple of nights ago that US Rep Lamar Smith was speaking at, I raised my hand, and I said: 'Lamar, I have no questions to ask, I only have a statement to make, one that I want YOU to take back to Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, Nancy Peolsi...I went on to say I am retired military, combat soldier, an American who wrote a blank check to the taxpayer and federal govt 25 Jan 1967 and its still good today...tell them this American will NOT give up is AR 10, his guns, his hi-cap mags, I will not register my weapons under any circumstances...' I got a standing applause by the audience, Lamar went on to tell his about the guns he owns, his hi cap mags, his hunting and gun collecting and thanked me.

After the meeting Lamar stepped off the stage and found me in the audience and shook my hand...bottom line Shark, stand up, speak out, get involved and make a stand.

Let them and everyone KNOW the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting, but to "DEFEND" against TYRANNY, NOT to go on the offensive against the govt or anyone else, its to DEFEND, WE the FREE PEOPLE!

Be prepared to 'just say NO' to gun registration, confiscation or anything that INFRINGES our 2nd Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms...


See you in Houston my friend, coffee is on me, but you are limited to one cup unless its decafe :twothumbs:
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11 years 9 months ago #17314 by Sharkey
I think I like you better right now than ever Cowboy.

My point to what I posted was this:

When one of "our own" has doubts, and starts being concerned about having to "be an outlaw" what we REALLY need to do is let him know he is not alone and stand WITH his pain, his depression, his worry, his concerns about our country's future but also remind him that NONE of us are outlaws YET.

We still have a WORLD of political pressure to apply and we cannot give up. We MUST continue to press and although yes, it is hard, disheartening and frustrating, playing the politics game, for the time being, is our ONLY hope to avoid a gun fight which MAY or may not ever HALF to happen.

When you were an officer and one of your men had doubts, I am CERTAIN, after having read all that you have ever said, you took some time to reassure him that you would be beside him and press on with him no matter what and did NOT remind him of 3 other units you know of that were all slaughtered, disemboweled, drawn and quartered and left in piles.

I believe in YOU Cowboy. I like your posts, your input and have been one VERY happy member to read your posts - right up until you started in with the "drawn and quartered" thing when one of our men had strong feelings about our futures.

Have I had any coffee today? Sure. I love the stuff. But I didn't "quote" anything in your post other than to say it was not helping - and instead, was making things seems even MORE hopeless to men who may and obviously DO already have doubts and worries.

We need to keep everyone moving forward and I respect you Cowboy, but sometimes making a list of things the government is capable of doing, is not exactly the most reassuring thing to a man who is already worried he may end up having to break the law to live.

We all worry about this stuff but for the time being, the ONLY choice we have is to fight the political way and not get too preoccupied with these obvious abuses of power.

We know they are capable of it. What we NEED to know, is what WE are capable of when we make a stand...

I'm glad you came back at me because it brought out the VERY best in you that is what I am used to on these issues Sir.

Respectfully
Sharkey
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