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11 years 7 months ago #21758 by Sharkey
Replied by Sharkey on topic New Member, New Gun, New Problems... (Sig 716)
Wow. It's gonna be a looong couple of weeks at your place huh. Looks like you'll have plenty of time for posting and spending time with us here for at least a little bit though Moreau... :)

Thanks for keeping us in the loop and we're looking forward to your upcoming range reports... :thumbs:

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11 years 7 months ago #21833 by Moreau
Replied by Moreau on topic New Member, New Gun, New Problems... (Sig 716)
Yeah, I'll have time to load up some pics of guns, knives and the like as well as get on the tractor, get the garden planted and fields planted for deer. Gotta try to keep my mind off of it! :laugh:

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11 years 7 months ago #21836 by 10-76
Replied by 10-76 on topic New Member, New Gun, New Problems... (Sig 716)

Moreau wrote: Thanks again 10-76!

I was afraid I would be without for much longer. :twothumbs:


Meh, I have only trusted in a company I am familiar with, enough to have faith for you and me.

While the Glock training programs also can instill a fever, the SIG groups in NH are taking it to another level. I believe you will be pleased. If not, have faith in a stranger. :usa:

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11 years 6 months ago #22647 by JaKell
Replied by JaKell on topic New Member, New Gun, New Problems... (Sig 716)
I had the same problems. Failure to Fire or Feed, no lock-back, double feed, "snap" with light primer contact. 173 failures in 300 rounds. Tried all CS recommendations, 1. clean it, 2. lighter oil, 3. thicker oil, 4. gas block adjust, 5. Nine different Pmags, 6. Six types of ammo, 7. run more ammo through it, Start at #1. Stuck ammo in chamber with broken rims, that was a good failure!

We tried changing to a JP silent captured spring buffer system and changed the ejector spring to JP ground spring. Then we upgraded the silent capture spring to heavier spring and adjusted multiple fits of the JP spacer. JP assisted quite well at customer service, can't say enough good about them.

After 500 rounds, we found after recoating the lower where wear marks were re-occurring, that the BCG was striking the lower in front of the buffer tube with matching marks on the BCG. Finally Sig CS said they would accept the rifle for inspection. They concurred after receipt and decided to change out the rifle.

Andy at Sig CS sent me down the trail of testing, frustration, and a thousand dollars of expense in range fees, ammo, oils, and magazines. Brian fixed the issue and said the appropriate apologies. Tactical Firearms started receiving new stock from Sig last week and I called to remind Brian of my head of the line position. He got one on the next shipment to me. Turn around was about five weeks (five weeks of sweating potential Congressional action on a parallel course.)Brian couldn't get me an upgrade to the marksman version, but could send two Pmags for my losses (about $20 to Sig).

I have several Sig weapons, two with corrected issues. None of the Colts have had any issues. I get my rifle back tomorrow. If it doesn't work, we'll be talking to Colt and returning the Sig.

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11 years 6 months ago #22649 by Siscowet
Replied by Siscowet on topic New Member, New Gun, New Problems... (Sig 716)
:unsure: whoa! Good luck, that is an ordeal you have gone through. Be sure to let us know how it turns out. I have heard enough stories, I am going to wait a while before considering a 716. Let them work the bugs out.

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11 years 5 months ago #23715 by Lizardette
Replied by Lizardette on topic New Member, New Gun, New Problems... (Sig 716)
I know y'all are waiting with bated breath to see what Sig says about this, but I thought I might mention a few things.

I haven't had this problem with a .308, but the same thing did happen to a .300 AAC Blackout that I built. It was short cycling. Had to work it out for myself since there was no company (or rather too many companies) to send it back to.

One fix is reloading ammunition for yourself. You can pick whatever power level you want that way. Downsides are mostly the effort required in load development. Although, acquiring bullets powder and primers can be difficult these days as well. Of course, if you're not set up to reload your own ammunition (and don't know anyone who will do it for you), that can be expensive too. Worth it in the long run (in my opinion) though because you really can save money over factory ammunition and probably get better accuracy.

Much cheaper: you could try a reduced power recoil spring, or buffer. I'm not sure where you could get the spring, but if it came with a carbine type heavy buffer then you should be able to find a standard weight one easily. Either would be cheaper than setting up for reloading.

That all assumes of course that it isn't what was mentioned earlier: the carrier impacting the lower receiver.

Regardless, I hope this helps somebody.

If nothing else: Hi everybody! :)
The following user(s) said Thank You: jtallen83

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11 years 5 months ago #23723 by Siscowet
Replied by Siscowet on topic New Member, New Gun, New Problems... (Sig 716)

JaKell wrote: I had the same problems. Failure to Fire or Feed, no lock-back, double feed, "snap" with light primer contact. 173 failures in 300 rounds. Tried all CS recommendations, 1. clean it, 2. lighter oil, 3. thicker oil, 4. gas block adjust, 5. Nine different Pmags, 6. Six types of ammo, 7. run more ammo through it, Start at #1. Stuck ammo in chamber with broken rims, that was a good failure!

We tried changing to a JP silent captured spring buffer system and changed the ejector spring to JP ground spring. Then we upgraded the silent capture spring to heavier spring and adjusted multiple fits of the JP spacer. JP assisted quite well at customer service, can't say enough good about them.

After 500 rounds, we found after recoating the lower where wear marks were re-occurring, that the BCG was striking the lower in front of the buffer tube with matching marks on the BCG. Finally Sig CS said they would accept the rifle for inspection. They concurred after receipt and decided to change out the rifle.

Andy at Sig CS sent me down the trail of testing, frustration, and a thousand dollars of expense in range fees, ammo, oils, and magazines. Brian fixed the issue and said the appropriate apologies. Tactical Firearms started receiving new stock from Sig last week and I called to remind Brian of my head of the line position. He got one on the next shipment to me. Turn around was about five weeks (five weeks of sweating potential Congressional action on a parallel course.)Brian couldn't get me an upgrade to the marksman version, but could send two Pmags for my losses (about $20 to Sig).

I have several Sig weapons, two with corrected issues. None of the Colts have had any issues. I get my rifle back tomorrow. If it doesn't work, we'll be talking to Colt and returning the Sig.

Curious, how did the new Sig work out?

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11 years 5 months ago #23724 by Siscowet
Replied by Siscowet on topic New Member, New Gun, New Problems... (Sig 716)

Lizardette wrote: I know y'all are waiting with bated breath to see what Sig says about this, but I thought I might mention a few things.

I haven't had this problem with a .308, but the same thing did happen to a .300 AAC Blackout that I built. It was short cycling. Had to work it out for myself since there was no company (or rather too many companies) to send it back to.

One fix is reloading ammunition for yourself. You can pick whatever power level you want that way. Downsides are mostly the effort required in load development. Although, acquiring bullets powder and primers can be difficult these days as well. Of course, if you're not set up to reload your own ammunition (and don't know anyone who will do it for you), that can be expensive too. Worth it in the long run (in my opinion) though because you really can save money over factory ammunition and probably get better accuracy.

Much cheaper: you could try a reduced power recoil spring, or buffer. I'm not sure where you could get the spring, but if it came with a carbine type heavy buffer then you should be able to find a standard weight one easily. Either would be cheaper than setting up for reloading.

That all assumes of course that it isn't what was mentioned earlier: the carrier impacting the lower receiver.

Regardless, I hope this helps somebody.

If nothing else: Hi everybody! :)

Sounds like you have a fair amount of experience with the AR platform.

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11 years 5 months ago - 11 years 5 months ago #23743 by Lizardette
Replied by Lizardette on topic New Member, New Gun, New Problems... (Sig 716)
Not to get to far off topic:

Any time you build your own gun, no matter what type it is, you get to know a lot about how they work.

I really recommend for every enthusiast to try it.

More toward the topic at hand:

What I've heard from dealers I've talked to is that pretty much every firearm manufacturer gets products sent back to them - even the high end models. You just can't take anything for granted when diagnosing a malfunction. You'd expect a factory new rifle (an M14) to headspace correctly, but I (lucky me) got one that didn't. That's the worst example I can think of.

I guess it's Murphy rearing his ugly head: If there's any way it could possibly go wrong...
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