Are We Really So Civilized...A Controversy, Death.

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11 years 4 months ago - 11 years 3 months ago #27000 by BUILDING MY SASS
Are We Really So Civilized...A Controversy, Death. was created by BUILDING MY SASS
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This Thread Deals with the Subject of Death...of Our Loved Ones...
Being Our Pets and Family Members who We have had to Watch Pass Away in Manners of Suffering and Pain...It deals with the Political Issues of "We can do it For Our Pets, but Not for those We love of a Human Nature"...

Tomorrow will be the Second Hardest day of my Life...
Once Again I have to take a Cherished and Loved Friend and Family member to to meet their Demise..our Beloved Cat...Maugy (17+ Years Old)...The First was the wife's Siberian Husky of 14 years...a Tried and True Friend..to both her and me...
Anyone who says..It's just a Pet...has never known the Love of a True Friend in a Pet...a pet who can feel what you do...or just when you need the warmth or love or laughter....they are always there to comfort you when you need them....
Make no bones about it...I can put a bullet in someone and not think twice...other than maybe a what a shame or waste...and not look back...
When it comes to a Family member...even a Pet...that is a whole different story....
My point being as to "Are We Really So Civilized"...we can recognize the suffering of a Animal and do the Humane thing and send them to a better place...but yet we can leave People in Hospitals and Homes to DIE a Miserable Death of pain and suffering...
What is wrong with this Picture....
Yes to answer the Question...
I have an Aunt dieing of Cancer in a Hospital and my Wife's Mom is lying in a Bed in a Home waiting for the End....
So my Question...Are We Really So Civilized...that we can leave these people to suffer and die...but yet we can put our family Pet Down...to Do The Humane Thing....and end their Suffering...
I know it is a Money Game with the insurance companies and such...but still...Give People the Same Dignity as we do our Beloved Pets in a Time of Suffering....
I think that Would be the HUMANE thing to Do....and
"The Civilized" Thing to Do...as well.
God Help Us All.... :pray:
BMS
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11 years 4 months ago #27001 by OleCowboy
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First of all my heart goes out to your on the loss of your pet. Our children have PAWS (dogs) and over the years we have lost them and it never gets any easier.

Putting them down is not easy but having and watching my dad die in agony and pain and suffering from the ravages of cancer before the days of Hospice care was beyond horrible. In a discussion with a Doc the day before dad died...upon my request for more pain meds and the doc said NO (which was a mistake). He said he could not give them as they might kill him he would need so much. To which I replied what are the chances he will wake up tomorrow and want to go dancing...I think grabbed him by the 'stacking swivel' (collar for you civvy guys), slammed him against the bulkhead (wall) so hard his teeth rattled and told him in no certain terms he would give him whatever meds he needed to reduce the extreme pain he was in. He did as he was told. Dad died the next day in somewhat peace about noon. Today we have Hospice care, thanks for that.

I would NEVER allow my pet to ever suffer in any way.
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11 years 4 months ago #27002 by BUILDING MY SASS
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OleCowboy wrote: First of all my heart goes out to your on the loss of your pet. Our children have PAWS (dogs) and over the years we have lost them and it never gets any easier.

Putting them down is not easy but having and watching my dad die in agony and pain and suffering from the ravages of cancer before the days of Hospice care was beyond horrible. In a discussion with a Doc the day before dad died...upon my request for more pain meds and the doc said NO (which was a mistake). He said he could not give them as they might kill him he would need so much. To which I replied what are the chances he will wake up tomorrow and want to go dancing...I think grabbed him by the 'stacking swivel' (collar for you civvy guys), slammed him against the bulkhead (wall) so hard his teeth rattled and told him in no certain terms he would give him whatever meds he needed to reduce the extreme pain he was in. He did as he was told. Dad died the next day in somewhat peace about noon. Today we have Hospice care, thanks for that.

I would NEVER allow my pet to ever suffer in any way.


My Thanks My Friend...
I can relate in all Aspects....
As I told the Vet with Sadie..the husky....We can do this for our Pets...why not our Loved Ones....
Dr. Kevorkian....Was Not a Criminal...but a Man of Compassion for those who would not see their Loved ones Die in Pain and Suffering...
Much Like our Veterinarians...Who do the Same for our Beloved Four Legged Members of our Families...
Again My Thanks my Friend...
God Bless...
BMS

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11 years 4 months ago #27003 by Siscowet
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Both are family and both are tough. I took care of my Dad the last few months of his life and watched the father I loved and respected slowly go away as the cancer metasticized. I made the vow to myself I will never put my wife and son through that with me. Enough said. The toughest part about pets, is they look at you like you are a god, yet there is little or nothing you can do at that point to help them. A lesson in humility for us. Savor every good moment with the people and the pets in your life, it is never long enough.
BMS, friend, my thoughts and prayers are with you.
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11 years 4 months ago #27004 by Sharkey
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Tough day BMS and I can relate. I put our fat cat down a few months back. I brought the wife and boys in and then made up a little wet food with a crushed up percocet to put him into a nice mellow mood and once he had gotten to a point where I knew he was feelin it, the wife and boys went grocery shopping and I took him to the basement and did him in.

He was a damn good cat and the boys loved him but it's what is right.

As for people, that is a tough one. Granted, when the suffering gets bad, we all want to do the right thing but as long as people are coherent and able to talk and know they are loved, well, putting them down would be a tough choice.

I've been there when lots of people have died. Most of them I never knew. Being there to respect someone I loved, if and when the circumstances were right, would be a terrible honor that I pray I never have to face.

Personally, I'm sick of seeing folks die at this point and don't know if I really need any more of that kinda thing on my soul but like I said, if the circumstances are right, sometimes a man's gotta step up no matter what the cost.

We'll put you and your relatives in our prayers tonight BMS.

God Bless
Sharkey
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11 years 4 months ago - 11 years 4 months ago #27006 by et1911rph
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BMS
First my prayers for you and your family (pet and human).

I've spent almost thirty years as a health care provider, the last twenty as a pharmacist. My opinion on assisted suicide has changed over the years. At one time I was a strong advocate for euthanasia. That is until a patient asked me to help them end their life. I found I could not assist them directly but did provide info about the Hemlock Society. The patient botched his attempt and his family had to deal with an even greater tragedy. I've had to live with whether my advice was to blame and prayed for forgiveness ever since.

I was fortunate enough to work with a Hospice team after that incident and learned that we can reduce if not eliminate pain in most cases.

Perhaps it is a function of getting older (and closer to the end than I am the beginning) but I leave the "final call" to God.

I've seen both patients and family suffer through the agonies of cancer AND I've seen some rely on their strong faith in God to teach me that my job is to provide relief not hasten the end.

I make no judgement about those that take a different view. I just ask that we allow prayer to do its job and that my health care peers educate themselves as to how we can limit the suffering.
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11 years 4 months ago #27007 by OleCowboy
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Hospice care, which I had for my sister and my mother. My mother who I cared for the last 12 years of her life, died shortly after she went into hospice care. My sister lived almost 2 mo IIRC. She never suffered. The Hospice folks told me ANYTHING they need is on the menu...

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11 years 4 months ago #27010 by jtallen83
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"Anyone who says..It's just a Pet...has never known the Love of a True Friend in a Pet"

Very true.... very true. my condolences for your loss.

I held my Grandmothers hand as the Dr. gave her a cocktail of drugs that stopped her breathing along with the terrible convulsions she was suffering as strokes ravished her brain. A very difficult moment but I'm very glad we had a Dr. that ignored the legal protocols. As the convulsions eased on her way out she actually smiled and said I love you. It hurt much less to lose her than it did to see her debilitated and in terrible pain. We do need to work on this issue.
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11 years 4 months ago #27012 by BUILDING MY SASS
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My Thanks Gentlemen....
It's funny, I told my wife for being the Tough SOB I can be, being able to turn almost anything off as far as emotions...and just chalk it up to that's part of life...when things hit home....it is a whole different story....
I imagine I will cry like a child when it happens...I did with Sadie..the Husky...
It seems that we all have faced loss in someway if not more.
My thanks for the support...It's nice to know that others feel the same..
God Bless...
BMS

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11 years 4 months ago - 11 years 4 months ago #27024 by BUILDING MY SASS
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Well it is done...But a Sad Day Indeed...for both the Wife and I...
I thought I would post a couple of Pics...in Her Memory....
Moggie...The Cat...
BMS


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