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10 years 8 months ago #35930 by LebbenB
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PigS. Plural, my friend. It's the redneck version of "Shooting fish in a barrel."

And yes, the hole can also become a grill pit. I'm just efficient that way.

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10 years 8 months ago #35931 by Siscowet
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LebbenB wrote: PigS. Plural, my friend. It's the redneck version of "Shooting fish in a barrel."

And yes, the hole can also become a grill pit. I'm just efficient that way.

Up here wolves and other predators make quick work of feral pigs. If I lived somewhere they had them, my wife would probably leave me since I would be sitting out hunting them every night. I have had feral pig from Florida, and I really liked it. A bit gamier then domestic pig and leaner, so you have to brine it before you cook it, but very tasty. On top of that you are doing a service by shooting them, and they are probably one of the smartest prey there is, I can see why it is getting so popular. Plus one heck of a good excuse to go out and get some decent Night Vision equipment. What's not to like? Sorry Cowboy, we got off thread.

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10 years 8 months ago #35937 by OleCowboy
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Siscowet wrote:

LebbenB wrote: PigS. Plural, my friend. It's the redneck version of "Shooting fish in a barrel."

And yes, the hole can also become a grill pit. I'm just efficient that way.

Up here wolves and other predators make quick work of feral pigs. If I lived somewhere they had them, my wife would probably leave me since I would be sitting out hunting them every night. I have had feral pig from Florida, and I really liked it. A bit gamier then domestic pig and leaner, so you have to brine it before you cook it, but very tasty. On top of that you are doing a service by shooting them, and they are probably one of the smartest prey there is, I can see why it is getting so popular. Plus one heck of a good excuse to go out and get some decent Night Vision equipment. What's not to like? Sorry Cowboy, we got off thread.

LOL, not at all Leb, I enjoy the talk about hogs especially since my last hogLESS hunt did not produce anything, in spite of me going all Infantry and hitting the ground in search and destroy mode...not a single hog to be found.

Anyhow the wife has given me the go ahead for a build, at least she did not ask how much it was gonna cost. I probably should sell one of my guns just to contribute to the overall cost, this also lets me buy other stuff...

to that end, which one do I sell?

New old Bushmaster carbine or my AR10T. Bushy is unfired, AR10T has 40 rds down the pipe for break in, never letting the bbl get more than barely hand warm.

Not sure what the Bush is worth or the AR10T for that matter?????

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10 years 8 months ago #36041 by LebbenB
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If you're happy with the Bushmaster, you might want to look at 300 BLK a little closer. All you need to do is pull the barrel/barrel extension and replace it with a 300 BLK barrel. And you're done - same bolt/BCG, same mag, same mag capacity. If you don't want to lose the .223, then simply build an upper assembly in 300 BLK and then you can swap as the spirit moves you. It'll also free up money for a dedicated optic for it.

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10 years 8 months ago #36042 by Siscowet
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LebbenB wrote: If you're happy with the Bushmaster, you might want to look at 300 BLK a little closer. All you need to do is pull the barrel/barrel extension and replace it with a 300 BLK barrel. And you're done - same bolt/BCG, same mag, same mag capacity. If you don't want to lose the .223, then simply build an upper assembly in 300 BLK and then you can swap as the spirit moves you. It'll also free up money for a dedicated optic for it.

I might think about doing that with the upper reciever I just bought. Any recomendations for 300 Blk barrells and barrel extensions?

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10 years 8 months ago #36044 by LebbenB
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The barrel and barrel extension, gas block, muzzle device and gas tube will usually be together as a unit unless otherwise specified. The barrel will have a twist rate of 1:7. There are two types of gas systems for 300 BLK - carbine length and pistol length. If you're going to shoot nothing but sub-sonics (200+ grains) choose the pistol length gas tube. If you want to shoot both super- and sub-sonic ammo, choose the carbine length. I prefer the flexibility of the carbine length system myself because it opens up a lot of bullet weights that can be used.

AAC makes a very good barrel for 300 BLK, as do Noveske, CMMG, and Wilson Combat. If memory serves, these makers do not include a muzzle device with the barrel. The barrel materials range from standard chrome-moly steel to stainless and the coatings and linings include Parkerizing/chrome lining to nitro-carburizing. Both Midway and Brownell's sell a line of 300 BLK barrels.
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10 years 8 months ago #36045 by Siscowet
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LebbenB wrote: The barrel and barrel extension, gas block, muzzle device and gas tube will usually be together as a unit unless otherwise specified. The barrel will have a twist rate of 1:7. There are two types of gas systems for 300 BLK - carbine length and pistol length. If you're going to shoot nothing but sub-sonics (200+ grains) choose the pistol length gas tube. If you want to shoot both super- and sub-sonic ammo, choose the carbine length. I prefer the flexibility of the carbine length system myself because it opens up a lot of bullet weights that can be used.

AAC makes a very good barrel for 300 BLK, as do Noveske, CMMG, and Wilson Combat. If memory serves, these makers do not include a muzzle device with the barrel. The barrel materials range from standard chrome-moly steel to stainless and the coatings and linings include Parkerizing/chrome lining to nitro-carburizing. Both Midway and Brownell's sell a line of 300 BLK barrels.

Will go with a Carbine length gas system. Is the gas system specific to 300 Blackout, or is it the same as a 5.56? If my memory serves me correctly, generally a pistol powder is used, would that entail a change in the gas system? I will be using a complete Olympic Arms Plinker plus as a base to modify. This is a carbine, so would I need to change the gas system, or simply swap it to a new barrel? Sorry Cowboy, Hijacked the thread again.

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10 years 8 months ago #36049 by LebbenB
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The gas tube will be shorter than it's 5.56 equivalent and the gas port/gas block will be further away from the muzzle.

Here's a link to a 300 BLK barrel at Midway. It gives a good view of the barrel and gas system.
www.midwayusa.com/product/856314/advance...cm_vc=ProductFinding

You are correct, a pistol powder is used with this round. I've pretty much settled on Hodgdon's Lil Gun as my preferred powder, though there are others out there do a good job as well.

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10 years 8 months ago #36061 by OleCowboy
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Then let me pose the question:

We are going to do a build, its a quality finish out using high components.

? What caliber do we go with, 5.56, 308???

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10 years 8 months ago #36062 by LebbenB
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For a "from the ground up" build, I would stay with 5.56 because it offers a greater selection of individual components to choose from.

If I were building it and cost wasn't an issue, I'd start with either a Noveske stainless or Mike Rock barrel (Barrel length and profile to be determined by the purpose of the gun), If neither of those are available, I'd also consider a CHF barrel from FN. I would pick up the Noveske Switchblock vice a standard low profile gas block in case I wanted to suppress it later on.

Upper and lower receiver would be from 2 Vets Arms out of Sapulpa, OK (Just off Old RT 66!) 2 Vets is literally a mom and pop operation - Both the husband and wife are vets of OIF/OEF. They also make a non-reciprocating side charging upper that also functions as a forward assist. Very cool and very well made.

The lower parts kit, receiver extension, and buffer would come from Colt, though I would ditch the trigger mech in favor of a Geissele SSA or SSA-E two stage.

I'd select a low profile free float forend with user configurable pic rails. Some use screws to hold the rail sections, but most AR makers are going to the key-mod system. Examples of both can be found at MI or Samson. If you really wanted to keep weight down, then take a look at the carbon fiber FF sleeve from PRI.

I'd choose either the ACS or UBR for the butt stock and a MIAD grip, both from Magpul.

I'm really digging the 51T Brakeout combo muzzle brake and flash hider on my 300 BLK. Functions as a muzzle brake when you have a can attached, functions as an FH when you don't. Very effective at both jobs.

But that's my build...Others may disagree.
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