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10 years 10 months ago #34119 by Siscowet
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Corporate greed makes it even tougher to winnow this type of personality out. The Navy yard shooters background check was faked by the company paid to do it.
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10 years 10 months ago - 10 years 10 months ago #34123 by 10-76
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10 years 10 months ago #34125 by Siscowet
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Because of all the hysteria about these incidents, a lot of research is going on into the personality traits that lead an individual to do something like this. Generally, they are of a personality type that leads them to be the target of bullying or at the least, social rejection by the majority of people. They tend to be loners not by choice, but because either they don't fit in or have been rejected by their peer group. Most psycologists think it is a " look at me, I did something that will get me attention".: type of situation. Add to that the media putting all this graphic violence on display, and it becomes "cool" to do it. These types don't have a lot of social interaction, so there values are probably formed by the media a lot more than a normal person. By the way, I would put the Oklahoma city bombing in with Newtown et al. And that was definitely not a liberal, commie, or muslim. Anyway, add anger to the above personality, and you have the recipe for rage induced violence towards any easy target. Doesn't matter what the political leanings are, the stage has been set.

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10 years 10 months ago #34126 by OleCowboy
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10-76 wrote:

Siscowet wrote:

SOC wrote: FYI, every mass shooting in the US, to date has been done by people who were self proclaimed Communists, Liberals, Democrats, or Islamists of one kind or another.

How about the granddaddy of them all? The Austin Clock Tower shooting? 47 people I believe. Its not about labels, its about mental instability and how the media can help trigger it by making violent bloodshed against innocents seem permissable.



I have not see the evidence that supports every shooting of 4 or more people was done by a particular political sect. However, I'll play along to that idea and ask a follow-up question then: Is the FX Channel a media point centered on, or sponsored by..." the self proclaimed Communists, Liberals, Democrats, or Islamists of one kind or another."?

Lets kick it up another notch and view say mass killings going back to say 1900. Somewhere buried in my archives is a research paper I did on this. First we are not talking anymore about 20 or 30 folks, we are talking in the tens of millions of dead people by the hands of....LEFTISTS.

Worst killing in the US involving children (under the age of 21), Sandyhook Newtown you say, not hardly, try Janet Reno and Bill Clinton at Waco Texas. You can do the research but most mass murders are done by left wing nut jobs.

I very recently had the pleasure to have coffee with a retired Texas Ranger who not only was present but had a key role in Waco. I wish I could repeat here what he told me, but I was asked not too...FEAR your government, nuff said.

I know someone will bring up Tim McVeigh. Sure, not 100% of all mass murders are left wing nut jobs, but if you want to compare lists you will find the right wing one is rather SHORT!

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10 years 10 months ago #34130 by OleCowboy
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10-76 wrote:

OleCowboy wrote: Lets kick it up another notch and view say mass killings going back to say 1900. Somewhere buried in my archives is a research paper I did on this. First we are not talking anymore about 20 or 30 folks, we are talking in the tens of millions of dead people by the hands of....LEFTISTS.

Worst killing in the US involving children (under the age of 21), Sandyhook Newtown you say, not hardly, try Janet Reno and Bill Clinton at Waco Texas. You can do the research but most mass murders are done by left wing nut jobs.

I very recently had the pleasure to have coffee with a retired Texas Ranger who not only was present but had a key role in Waco. I wish I could repeat here what he told me, but I was asked not too...FEAR your government, nuff said.

I know someone will bring up Tim McVeigh. Sure, not 100% of all mass murders are left wing nut jobs, but if you want to compare lists you will find the right wing one is rather SHORT!


So you believe Adolf Hitler was a leftist of some sort? (If we're going back to 1900, and going global.)

Those war atrocities directed by Hitler, would certainly fall into the definition of mass murders.

Anyway, do you believe the FX Channel is directed/owned by a particular political sect?

1) Hitler: The far left, most here in the US going back to WWII has screamed that Hitler was a RIGHT WING kind of a guy. This like most lies they spew is so far off base its near comical. I and many other have written so much on this that is mostly been realized by folks he was indeed just another leftist of the era. I don't hear much from the left wing anymore on this other than from the few that are sycophants and will repeat any lie.

But just looking at a few things.

He was:
A socialist

Promoted Fascism: Now many will call this RIGHT WING. Not just comical, but a hearty belly laugh on that.

Hitler hated communism: Well sorta kinda...Hitler HATED the Russians and they were commies, Hitler adopted some of the commuist ways but would NEVER call it that.

FACT Hitler was a far leftist with his own ideas of doing it better and making it work...kinda like Obama.

2) I cannot make a legit judgement call on FX in any direction. I have watched it, but not sure where they stand nor have I observed anything that has caused me to wonder...

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10 years 10 months ago #34131 by jtallen83
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Siscowet wrote: Corporate greed makes it even tougher to winnow this type of personality out. The Navy yard shooters background check was faked by the company paid to do it.
investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01...ckground-checks?lite


I was notified I passed my background check the week before they contacted any of my references. I wonder if anyone ever actually read the replies....... :whistle:
You can be sure they got paid for doing whatever it is they claimed to do!

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10 years 10 months ago #34135 by Siscowet
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I remember a theory back in college political science. In a nut shell it did not look at political leanings a linear, that is your political beliefs put you somewhere on a straight line, but rather circular. A radical goes far enough left, and he begins to come very close to the anarchists on the far right. There is some argument and basis in history for that. Hitler was a Facist National Socialist, but very little socialism, as he depended on Germany's economic elite. The IG Farbens, the Krupps, and others. Stalin was a Communist that paid no attention whatsoever to Karl Marx or Frederic Engels. In their policies and methods, they were soul brothers. Set the politics aside, a monster is a monster. A despot is a despot, a terrorist is a terrorist. i don't care what label they wear.

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10 years 10 months ago #34136 by OleCowboy
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10-76, sorry but not even close, near comical in fact.

Sisco, I remember that from college and have always somewhat agreed with it.

Here is the issue folks. You have to look at practice vs theory vs definition. Definition changes and often its flavored by someone trying to make a statement or push and agenda.

The best look at Hitler is the 10 years leading up to WWII, there you will see his thinking. You cannot judge a country's political stance based upon how they operate during war. Viewing the US in the midst of WWII would give a quite totalitarian view of our country. Rationing, much nationalization of the war machine etc. Strongly suggest this as a study point. As for his socialism, well that was his goal and the war got in the way or perhaps it might be said the war would have accomplished his quite lofty goals. Neither happened.

The other point is that communism, Marxism, Fascism, socialism etc etc have all failed...repeatedly. This brings about new guyism. Meaning every new guy who thinks that way believes it failed because HE was not in charge, plus you have to change names all the time or the people will not buy into it. Today is 'progressiveism' but a rose is a rose and by any other name is still a rose. For the most modern of naming then just look to Obama, especially in his upcoming state of the union address. Call him what you will but if you want to call it like it is, then he is a Marxist-socialist-fascist-communist. All he is selling is HIS version of the aforementioned, same as Hitler.

I can assure you that had Hitler won his policies of socialism would have been implemented along with fascist views.

No country in history has worked harder and spent more resources to effect a Marxist state and socialism than did the USSR, it not only failed but did so with EPIC proportions. In fact it failed so badly that China who was on the coattails of the USSR shifted his economic policy to capitalism as have the now Russians.

You have to understand socialism as more of a economic policy than a political doctrine. While we often saw socialism along communism most of the world KNOWS the only economic policy that is successful is capitalism.

So what is the litmus test?

Communism is the absence of individualism and REQUIRES that the loyalty of the people be aligned with the government and not a God. Communist regimes are God Less. You MUST see the government as your God

Insert socialism and you now have: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

This was tried in the US and it failed. The original Jamestown settlement was based upon the aforementioned tenets. How bad did it fail, well, they almost starved to death and the lessons learned were the basis for America's capitalist and individual responsibility view on the world.

Some serious study here is in order, I frequently write on these subjects and have for years, I will leave it to you to sort out much I had to do when I encountered it back in college in the 60's...it was the rage then and certainly has a lot of appeal, but unless you study, research and understand what it really is you will only see its supposed greatness...

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