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10 years 11 months ago #33483 by MrMarty51
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Siscowet wrote: Been in the Olympic peninsula. Rough, wild, very wet country. Might be true, a friend had to track a similar guy down thirty years ago in Montana for killing a biathlete and trying to kidnap a female biathlete. Such guys do exist. But most are legends in their own mind.

YUP, I thinking the nichols is now living on some sort of low security farms or some such.

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10 years 11 months ago #33489 by Siscowet
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MrMarty51 wrote:

Siscowet wrote: Been in the Olympic peninsula. Rough, wild, very wet country. Might be true, a friend had to track a similar guy down thirty years ago in Montana for killing a biathlete and trying to kidnap a female biathlete. Such guys do exist. But most are legends in their own mind.

YUP, I thinking the nichols is now living on some sort of low security farms or some such.

Was that their name? I remember it was around Big Sky and the guy had bolt holes all over the Spanish Peaks area. He ended up getting caught near Virginia City.

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10 years 11 months ago #33493 by MrMarty51
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Siscowet wrote:

MrMarty51 wrote:

Siscowet wrote: Been in the Olympic peninsula. Rough, wild, very wet country. Might be true, a friend had to track a similar guy down thirty years ago in Montana for killing a biathlete and trying to kidnap a female biathlete. Such guys do exist. But most are legends in their own mind.

YUP, I thinking the nichols is now living on some sort of low security farms or some such.

Was that their name? I remember it was around Big Sky and the guy had bolt holes all over the Spanish Peaks area. He ended up getting caught near Virginia City.

YUP, I could`nt remember the first names but a quick BING search and I got right to the source. Scrolled a couple of pages that was loaded with trash and slowed this little flappytop down then found this article from the Pioneer.
www.mtpioneer.com/2012-April-Infamous-Dan-Nichols.html

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10 years 11 months ago #33509 by txlongshotb4
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Yeah this guy seems a little too flaky. These "survival" shows are flaky-all of them. Has anyone else noticed that they don't do much to explain how to survive? It's usually about how nuts or extreme the guy in the show is...whoopie doo.

If you guys want to see some folks that actually teach things that are useful in the wilderness, youtube is you're spot. There is a kid on there who calls himself "TheGods1marine". I don't think this kid is even 18 years old yet, but he's obviously devoted a lot of time into learning how to survive in the wilderness by primative means, and his videos are always informative and filled to the brim with loads of information...check him out sometime. And there are many, many more on there.

This Mick Dodge guy...I don't know what to think about it. I can say this-in a survival situation, my mindset is going to be that I don't have access to medical care if I get hurt, and taking unnecessary chances is just asking for failure. There are sharp things in the woods, and they are all over the ground- I'm not taking my shoes off. If I loose my shoes, I am going to find or make something to replace them with. Getting poked invites infection , which eventually means you can't walk, which means you cant hunt, forage, gather firewood, etc...so you're doomed at that point...not worth the "feel of nature between your toes."
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10 years 11 months ago #33511 by Siscowet
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txlongshotb4 wrote: Yeah this guy seems a little too flaky. These "survival" shows are flaky-all of them. Has anyone else noticed that they don't do much to explain how to survive? It's usually about how nuts or extreme the guy in the show is...whoopie doo.

If you guys want to see some folks that actually teach things that are useful in the wilderness, youtube is you're spot. There is a kid on there who calls himself "TheGods1marine". I don't think this kid is even 18 years old yet, but he's obviously devoted a lot of time into learning how to survive in the wilderness by primative means, and his videos are always informative and filled to the brim with loads of information...check him out sometime. And there are many, many more on there.

This Mick Dodge guy...I don't know what to think about it. I can say this-in a survival situation, my mindset is going to be that I don't have access to medical care if I get hurt, and taking unnecessary chances is just asking for failure. There are sharp things in the woods, and they are all over the ground- I'm not taking my shoes off. If I loose my shoes, I am going to find or make something to replace them with. Getting poked invites infection , which eventually means you can't walk, which means you cant hunt, forage, gather firewood, etc...so you're doomed at that point...not worth the "feel of nature between your toes."

Spent some time in my 20's working on my survival skills, including winter cold weather survival. Real off the grid survival is tougher than you think. Eventually evrything mechanical, even nice sharp knives, breaks. Going back to stone age survival ensures that mortality rates would skyrocket, even among trained survivalists. Long term survival involving growing or harvesting wild food would raise mortality rates even more. There is a reason population densities in pre history hunter gatherer societies were so low. And why stone age societies were and are so violently territorial. Even crop raising primitive societies involve a tremendous amount of physical labor. What I learned back then is my chance of living even 10 years like that was probably 20% at best, with no health care, modern tools etc. they are handy skills for a short term survival situation, long term survival would have more to do with developing a multi person tribal unit to share the risk.
The best survivor show is "Survivor Man" With Les Stroud. He shows how tough even short term survival can be, even if you have the training.
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10 years 11 months ago #33514 by OleCowboy
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Siscowet wrote:

txlongshotb4 wrote: Yeah this guy seems a little too flaky. These "survival" shows are flaky-all of them. Has anyone else noticed that they don't do much to explain how to survive? It's usually about how nuts or extreme the guy in the show is...whoopie doo.

If you guys want to see some folks that actually teach things that are useful in the wilderness, youtube is you're spot. There is a kid on there who calls himself "TheGods1marine". I don't think this kid is even 18 years old yet, but he's obviously devoted a lot of time into learning how to survive in the wilderness by primative means, and his videos are always informative and filled to the brim with loads of information...check him out sometime. And there are many, many more on there.

This Mick Dodge guy...I don't know what to think about it. I can say this-in a survival situation, my mindset is going to be that I don't have access to medical care if I get hurt, and taking unnecessary chances is just asking for failure. There are sharp things in the woods, and they are all over the ground- I'm not taking my shoes off. If I loose my shoes, I am going to find or make something to replace them with. Getting poked invites infection , which eventually means you can't walk, which means you cant hunt, forage, gather firewood, etc...so you're doomed at that point...not worth the "feel of nature between your toes."

Spent some time in my 20's working on my survival skills, including winter cold weather survival. Real off the grid survival is tougher than you think. Eventually evrything mechanical, even nice sharp knives, breaks. Going back to stone age survival ensures that mortality rates would skyrocket, even among trained survivalists. Long term survival involving growing or harvesting wild food would raise mortality rates even more. There is a reason population densities in pre history hunter gatherer societies were so low. And why stone age societies were and are so violently territorial. Even crop raising primitive societies involve a tremendous amount of physical labor. What I learned back then is my chance of living even 10 years like that was probably 20% at best, with no health care, modern tools etc. they are handy skills for a short term survival situation, long term survival would have more to do with developing a multi person tribal unit to share the risk.
The best survivor show is "Survivor Man" With Les Stroud. He shows how tough even short term survival can be, even if you have the training.

Gonna tell you straight up Sisco that were you to write this para on some of the survival forums I am on, you would be run out of town at best, called every name in the book and flamed like you have never been.

That said I agree with you 100%, in fact 101%.

The stuff I read is beyond comical, in fact ridiculous at its best. I am on thread now that the items in this guys BOB (which he has published his list) it going to push well beyond 200 lbs if not 300 lbs. Its literally everything but a kitchen sink. In fact I doubt you could go to 10 homes and gather 1/2 the items on the list.

What is worse is not his concept but the number of folks who think he is a genius and are gonna follow in his BOB. BOB my eye, not sure I could get all that stuff in the back of my long bed truck.

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10 years 11 months ago #33516 by txlongshotb4
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Spent some time in my 20's working on my survival skills, including winter cold weather survival. Real off the grid survival is tougher than you think. Eventually evrything mechanical, even nice sharp knives, breaks. Going back to stone age survival ensures that mortality rates would skyrocket, even among trained survivalists. Long term survival involving growing or harvesting wild food would raise mortality rates even more. There is a reason population densities in pre history hunter gatherer societies were so low. And why stone age societies were and are so violently territorial. Even crop raising primitive societies involve a tremendous amount of physical labor. What I learned back then is my chance of living even 10 years like that was probably 20% at best, with no health care, modern tools etc. they are handy skills for a short term survival situation, long term survival would have more to do with developing a multi person tribal unit to share the risk.
The best survivor show is "Survivor Man" With Les Stroud. He shows how tough even short term survival can be, even if you have the training.

I agree Sisco. I ca't imagine having to sustain the "off the grid" life for very long. I did SERE in the Army, and that sucked more than I care to dwell upon-and the out in the bush phase of that only lasted a week!

I've done primitive trips out into the woods-just what I could carry in a small pack, build my shelter, build a fire, purify some water and find something to eat-that last one can be a lot more difficult than it sounds...been some days where it just didn't work out and I just had to be hungry, and I am what I would consider to be a pretty talented hunter. The common thread to almost all OK...all) of my primitive trips was that I forgot something-every time. While that is inconvenient on a weekend trip, it can be downright fatal in a survival setting.

Anyhow, you make a very valid point-one that should be pointed out to those who are preparing or the end of days-survival is a relative term...there is not a retirement plan for true mountain men-they do't make it that long!
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10 years 11 months ago #33518 by Siscowet
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txlongshotb4 wrote: Spent some time in my 20's working on my survival skills, including winter cold weather survival. Real off the grid survival is tougher than you think. Eventually evrything mechanical, even nice sharp knives, breaks. Going back to stone age survival ensures that mortality rates would skyrocket, even among trained survivalists. Long term survival involving growing or harvesting wild food would raise mortality rates even more. There is a reason population densities in pre history hunter gatherer societies were so low. And why stone age societies were and are so violently territorial. Even crop raising primitive societies involve a tremendous amount of physical labor. What I learned back then is my chance of living even 10 years like that was probably 20% at best, with no health care, modern tools etc. they are handy skills for a short term survival situation, long term survival would have more to do with developing a multi person tribal unit to share the risk.
The best survivor show is "Survivor Man" With Les Stroud. He shows how tough even short term survival can be, even if you have the training.

I agree Sisco. I ca't imagine having to sustain the "off the grid" life for very long. I did SERE in the Army, and that sucked more than I care to dwell upon-and the out in the bush phase of that only lasted a week!

I've done primitive trips out into the woods-just what I could carry in a small pack, build my shelter, build a fire, purify some water and find something to eat-that last one can be a lot more difficult than it sounds...been some days where it just didn't work out and I just had to be hungry, and I am what I would consider to be a pretty talented hunter. The common thread to almost all OK...all) of my primitive trips was that I forgot something-every time. While that is inconvenient on a weekend trip, it can be downright fatal in a survival setting.

Anyhow, you make a very valid point-one that should be pointed out to those who are preparing or the end of days-survival is a relative term...there is not a retirement plan for true mountain men-they do't make it that long!

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One person or a small group can only do so much.
The people with the best chance of survival are those with leadership, organizational, and people skills. Two people can get three times done what one person can, ten people can get twenty times the work done. The rugged individualist may work for short term survival, but I would put my money on a larger group that can cooperate and delegate.
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10 years 11 months ago - 10 years 11 months ago #33523 by jtallen83
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:I-agree: You are dead on Sisco! Nearly every SHTF scenario can be handled better by organizing with your friends, family, and neighbors rather than running off and hiding. My family has already discussed how we will react to certain situations and delegated the different responsibilities to each member. As an example I'm in charge of defense, things like ammo stockpiles, weapons, range cards, and training members of the group how to use it all. We don't have formal meetings but discuss these things when we get together.
We are NOT going anywhere! :usa:
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10 years 11 months ago #33540 by MrMarty51
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:I-agree: I`m screwed. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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