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11 years 6 months ago #25094 by Siscowet
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At the range is one thing, in real life would be another. I have made that a standard pistol practice for myself for a long time. Two targets at ten yards five feet apart. One shot each then back to the first and two shots each. A relative by marriage who was FBI suggested it. It is amazing how much practice it takes to feel comfortable. Especially when you change from going right to left to left to right. You can do variations two shots then two shots, etc etc.. The point is to take thinking out of it and make it a function of muscle memory. Try with a 22 pistol first.

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11 years 6 months ago #25107 by magi
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I'm sure... But it would be fun...... It's almost all practice practice practice..... When I was living out west.... I could shoot everyday almost anywhere.... I don't have that now... Really miss it....

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11 years 6 months ago #25118 by Bootheel
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When I took my CCW training most of the training time was spent on legal aspects of your actions. Living in Missouri and it's carry laws, given the situation, I would call 911 and be ready to fire in the event the robber should fire first. If I took the first shot and it caused a fire fight resulting in the death of an innocent, I would find myself having to defend why I escalated a simple armed robbery into a shoot out.

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11 years 6 months ago #25122 by SOC
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Siscowet wrote: A lot of if's. if you are out of voice range, I would call 911 on the cell and get ready to engage if their body english told me they were going to pull the trigger, otherwise I might refrain. If the cell is not an option, you have to assume that they would point their guns at you when you show yourself, so personally, I would have a difficult time shooting them without some kind of warning. My feeling is, you start to say "drop your weapons" and any movement towards you at all you start shooting. I can hit two targets in 1 second, but with the adrenaline in this scenario, If I start shooting, I don't stop until the threat is resolved, or I am out of ammo, or dead. Maybe I am off base, but legally I am guessing you could just start shooting as there was a threat to the cashier. Never having been in combat or shot a person, I would have a mental threshold I would have to break through for the first time in my life to do something like that. This is good food for thought.


This fits pretty close to what my reaction is likely to be.

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11 years 6 months ago #25126 by Libertarian623
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I am a talker, I have been trained to talk someone out of these situations. If they are not on drugs and not schizophrenic they can be talked out of it. If you have the drop on them you clearly have the upper hand and its up to them how it will progress. Time slows down and things happen, and you ride the wave where ever its going. I feel more alive during these events then at any other time.

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11 years 6 months ago #25130 by 13fcolt
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Libertarian623 wrote: I am a talker, I have been trained to talk someone out of these situations. If they are not on drugs and not schizophrenic they can be talked out of it.


Now this is truly interesting. For all the thousands of scenario questions posted online, this is the first time I have seen this response.

I would like to know more.

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11 years 6 months ago #25131 by OleCowboy
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1st ? What state?

2nd in or out of city limits?


If Texas in a rural setting I call 911 wait for. Them to exit and engage...

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11 years 6 months ago #25138 by pookybear308
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I'm afraid I would likely lock up, having no training in such a situation and living in a non-CCW state. I'm hoping I would go with the "observe from cover plus cellphone" scenario... I don't have much choice here on the left coast. I'd love to pretend I could be a hero but I've no guarantee it would work that way.
Yes, always good food for thought :(

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11 years 6 months ago #25139 by magi
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I'm with cowboy...... I wouldn't talk much here.... Maybe one chance to leave.... But then you've given your advantage to initiate away... And it's two against one.... The only advantage you may have left... Is most folks who make a living like this are shit shots and no guts in a real fight......

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11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #25143 by Sharkey
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There are a vast number of factors that CANNOT be anticipated in a real life scenario like this guys and they all come in to play when the bad day arrives.

Are THESE guys talkers? Is ONE of them doing all of the talking and the other is a crazy eyed, itchy fingered freak that is dying to prove himself with a kill? Are they BOTH shouting, shaking and crapping themselves and probably strung out on meth or something? Is there and obvious leader? Is the leader of the two REALLY in control of anything or is he BARELY in control of his buddy and things could explode badly with the drop of a pin?

Are they both looking and pointing at the girl or is one watching the parking lot and the other focused on the girl?

What are YOU carrying at that moment and what position will you need to be in to be able to use it effectively?

What kind of cover do you have available when the focus is immediately turned to you - possibly with rounds flying?

A MILLION factors are involved and THEIR focus, their levels of anxiety, their levels of calm, their points of interest, their hands, their body language, their clothing, their shoes, the types of weapons they are holding and how they are holding them as well as if they look like they KNOW how to hold them or if they look like it's the first time they've ever HELD a real gun and pointed it at someone, the proximity of their getaway vehicle and KIND of vehicle and condition of it. Do they look like they are clean or are they scrungy street bums that probably FOUND the guns and now appear terrified and hungry and are just pulling their first gig just to get some money and food...

What is YOUR level of anxiety and how bad are you shaking? Are you thinking clearly and CAN you focus on anything at all?

They ALL dictate what your first reaction should be and there is truly NO way of predicting what SHOULD be done with a keyboard.

Some guys you could just shout BOO and they would crap themselves and run like the damn wind and forget they even HAVE a vehicle in the parking lot. Others, if you give them ANY kind of warning, will immediately take a solid posture with one aiming at you while the other perhaps drops low and sneaks around the counter and holds the girl as a shield - she will pretty much probably be frozen in place with now 3 armed men in the mix.

You just truly never know and either you have a feel for "handling" a situation like this or it's either start shooting and hope for the best, or cower in the corner and wait for it to be over so you can sneak out later and hope nobody saw you and you can find a way of living with the fact that you did nothing.

Talking is good. I like talking. BUT - that also depends on the guys with the guns. If they are cool and appear oddly relaxed and yet fully aware of their surroundings, talking may NOT be the answer because they could be experienced and intelligent and able to carry on a conversation while making plan B in their heads which could put an inexperienced man, even WITH a gun, in as much danger as the girl behind the counter with no weapon at all.

I'm not saying there is NO answer. BUT, it would depend on every single factor I have mentioned and could be one of 20 different responses which could change in an instant to something completely different and you have to be able to change and flex as if you were gumby stuck inside a tornado maze with a handful of eggs and a bottle of nitroglycerin balanced on your head.

The tough thing is ALWAYS the fact that you have to go with your gut after analyzing the threat within seconds and between the love of God in your heart, the love of Smith and Wesson in your hands, and that feeling of 100 thousand butterflies in your stomach, when you DO initiate the plan you have chosen, you just have to hope it's the right one and then be ready for it to change within 1 second of making your move because you CAN anticipate how it will go down when you move, but you cannot predict it.

And then, however it goes down, you have to live with yourself later - if you make it.

"it is as if we were placing weights along a beam whose balance point is always in motion. Through knowledge gained from experience, knowledge, training and instinct, the fulcrum is more readily found"

"when facing an enemy greater than yourself, strike first, strike fast, and strike with everything you can - it will catch the enemy off guard, throw him off balance, and make him think you are stronger than you really are."

I'm sorry to say, their is no simple answer but only a choice. YOUR dilemma, will be making one you can live with.
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