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Siscowet wrote: I have been involved for planning for climate change on the local, state, and Federal level for the last ten years. Having listened to a lot of scientific presentations on the subject, I am convinced it is real. The question is, how we respond. Projections show a world wide bottleneck of resources around 2040-2050. Planning for who will be impacted is important. If it is one of the 600 pound gorillas such as Russia or China, the 800 pound gorilla, us, better be prepared, as it could very well trigger territorial conquest to acquire more resources. The question is, how it will impact us, and will we end up with martial law.
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One comment: don't count your chickens before they hatch.SOC wrote:
Siscowet wrote: I have been involved for planning for climate change on the local, state, and Federal level for the last ten years. Having listened to a lot of scientific presentations on the subject, I am convinced it is real. The question is, how we respond. Projections show a world wide bottleneck of resources around 2040-2050. Planning for who will be impacted is important. If it is one of the 600 pound gorillas such as Russia or China, the 800 pound gorilla, us, better be prepared, as it could very well trigger territorial conquest to acquire more resources. The question is, how it will impact us, and will we end up with martial law.
That's all well and good with the following exceptions.
The UAH reported in April that for the past 30 years global composite temp has varied less than .7C (spike in 1997) and currently we are only .2C over the mean for 30 years.
NASA has concluded that CO2 has a cooling effect on atmosphere, not a warming effect.
Also the IPSC changed the way they measure sea level via sat and ocean sensors. Without the change the apparent sea level rise drops below the margin for error.
The assumptions that climate scientists have based models and predictions on are being exposed as flawed.
As far as the bottle neck... We are having major strides in fusion power, recently the Brits got more energy than expended.
Quite simple, fossil fuel, and "green" energy are about to become entirely obsolete.
Human kind is on the verge of unlocking more clean, cheap, limitless energy than it knows what to do with.
In the next 20-30 years we will likely be mining asteroids, walking on moons orbiting other planets and sending probes to the nearest stars.
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Siscowet wrote: I have been involved for planning for climate change on the local, state, and Federal level for the last ten years. Having listened to a lot of scientific presentations on the subject, I am convinced it is real. The question is, how we respond. Projections show a world wide bottleneck of resources around 2040-2050. Planning for who will be impacted is important. If it is one of the 600 pound gorillas such as Russia or China, the 800 pound gorilla, us, better be prepared, as it could very well trigger territorial conquest to acquire more resources. The question is, how it will impact us, and will we end up with martial law.
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I think you are right, about the preparation, although I would rather have the Pentagon types at least thinking about the future and plotting possible scenarios than not.foxhunter wrote: We could all go crazy, and paranoid, about the possibility of an asteroid hit, a man made or solar EMP strike, a volcano at Yellowstone, a New Madrid fault megaquake, rising sea levels, world war 3, total economic collapse, a killer virus, etc. As far as I can tell, the only one in history who accurately predicted a major calamity was Noah. Some things you just can't prepare for, but I suspect most of us on this forum are better prepared than most.
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Exactly, you don't have to believe that man has anything to do with it. And if you look at natural history, one thing is clear: climate change naturally is a continuous process that never stops. Man may be affecting it, but it would happen anyway. What is improving is the ability to predict that change over time. And being able to predict climate change, whether man caused or not, can save billions of dollars. I would be more critical if the government wasn't at least trying to plan for the future. Will I agree with everything they do or say? No. But it beats them sitting on their butt and doing nothing.bipe215 wrote: If you were to draw a timeline across your living room floor (say 20 feet), that represented the total age of planet earth (how ever many millions), the last 120 years (the time we have kept accurate temp records) would be thinner than a piece of note book paper. It is quite arrogant to assume that such a sliver of time means anything at all climate wise. This planet has been through more than we have ever done to it, and likely will endure more than we can ever do.
Steve
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