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Senate Debate on Gun Registration

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11 years 8 months ago #21881 by jtallen83
The weather is nasty today so I end up watching the Senate debate on C-SPAN. It is so obvious the speech writers have had time to digest the surveys and tailor what each senator says, twisting and bending the same numbers to suit, anything to scare people. My socialist oriented Senator, Grassley, makes me feel ill seeing him stand behind Manchin while he proclaims background checks the total cure of society's ill. I once had the privilege of asking Grassley on live TV why he had lied to the Republican delegates and sought a third term after promising us he would only serve two????????? I have never been allowed to ask a question in person since, some college intern will get in my way every time, but then they only allow select media into the convention and keep them away from delegates now as well so that situation will not happen again, but I digress, just like our government.......... :censored:

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11 years 8 months ago #21883 by jtallen83
OK, now Grassley seems to have changed direction. After standing behind Manchin in the press conference he goes to the floor of the senate and calls Manchins idea flawed and presents his own, the amazing human chameleon. Just as well be watching Kabuki theater....... :banghead:

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11 years 8 months ago #21884 by VTIT
I am watching it now too. He is painful to listen to.

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11 years 8 months ago #21886 by mrraley
link to watch?

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11 years 8 months ago - 11 years 8 months ago #21891 by jtallen83
www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN2/

Here is a live link. Wear your bull :censored: protectors.
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11 years 8 months ago - 11 years 8 months ago #21893 by OleCowboy
Press Release of Senator Cruz
Grassley, Cruz Introduce Comprehensive Legislation That Targets Violent Criminals, Safeguards Second Amendment


Contact: (202) 224-5922 / press@cruz.senate.gov
Wednesday, April 17, 2013



WASHINGTON, DC – Senators Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Ted Cruz (R-TX) are introducing an alternative amendment to gun legislation pending on the Senate floor. Their “Protecting Communities and Preserving the Second Amendment Act” would preserve the Second Amendment while providing important fixes to existing law.

The Grassley-Cruz proposal would reauthorize and improve the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), increase resources for prosecutions of gun crime, address mental illness in the criminal justice system, and strengthen criminal law by including straw purchasing and illegal firearm trafficking statutes.

“When people study our amendment, they’ll see a sensible alternative that was developed from the ground up. It’s got wide-ranging, broad-based support and takes a responsible approach to fixing problems with the current background check system,” Grassley said. “We’ve put together an amendment that can effectively address some of the problems we’ve seen while protecting Second Amendment rights. I’ve been very interested in the mental health aspect of this debate, so we include provisions to study and address that issue. My oversight of Operation Fast and Furious highlighted some serious flaws within the gun trafficking and straw purchasing area, and Senator Cruz has done an exceptionally good job of helping develop that portion of our alternative. In addition, we both understand the importance of ensuring that Second Amendment protections are in place for veterans, along with every other American.”

“I am glad to work with Sen. Grassley on this important amendment, which presents a reasonable alternative to the current legislation being considered while placing top priority on preserving Americans’ inalienable right to bear arms,” Sen. Cruz said. “Rather than restricting the rights of law-abiding Americans, we should be focusing on keeping guns out of the hands of violent criminals, which this legislation accomplishes. While the Obama Administration continues to politicize a terrible tragedy to push its anti-gun agenda, I am proud to stand beside my fellow senators to present common-sense measures that will increase criminal prosecutions of felons who try to buy guns, criminalize straw purchasing and gun trafficking, and address mental health issues.”

Sponsors of the Protecting Communities and Preserving the Second Amendment Act of 2013 include Senators Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, John Thune of South Dakota, Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire, John Hoeven of North Dakota, Orrin Hatch of Utah, Jeff Flake of Arizona, Dan Coats of Indiana, John Cornyn of Texas, Pat Roberts of Kansas, Roger Wicker of Mississippi, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, James Risch of Idaho, Marco Rubio of Florida, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, John Boozman of Arkansas, Mike Johanns of Nebraska, Rob Portman of Ohio, and Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

This legislation will:

Improve and reauthorize grants for NICS database;
Require federal courts to submit relevant information to NICS;
Ensure that relevant mental health records are submitted by states to NICS;
Condition federal grant money for states on their submission of mental health records to NICS;
Increase federal prosecution of gun violence by establishing the Nationwide Project Exile Program and establishing a high level federal taskforce;
Study of the causes of mass shootings;
Responsibly addresses gun violence by criminalizing straw purchasing of firearms and gun trafficking;
Second Amendment Protections for Veterans;
Require the Department of Justice to explain to Congress why it has or has not been prosecuting gun cases;
Place Limitations on Fast & Furious type operations by DOJ;

Authorize FFL’s to utilize the NICS database to for voluntary background checks of employees;
Authorize FFL’s to access the FBI’s National Crime Information Center stolen gun database to ensure that a firearm is not stolen prior to acquisition;
Reauthorize the Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Act (MIOTCRA) with amendments;
Address school safety by Reauthorizes the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) Secure our Schools Program through 2023.
A section-by-section summary of the bill and a copy of the text of the bill can be found at the link below.

www.cruz.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=341424
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11 years 8 months ago #21898 by jtallen83
Plain and simple, Grassley stood behind Manchin at his press conference because Iowa is a 50/50 state, half rural and half country. I've listened to the man demagogue for many hours over the years, he has no core beliefs or values, just whatever way he feels the wind blowing and if that is in two directions he will split himself between them. The vote is what counts and he has a miserable record, in my humble but informed opinion. :soapbox:
No disrespect intended but all that press release stuff is irrelevant, I've heard one thing said and watched him do something else for ... well,three decades now. I voted for him the first two terms, drinking the kool aid.... I'm to old for Kool Aid now!

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11 years 8 months ago #21899 by VTIT
I can sympathize with the people that lost someone in the recent Boston bombings. It sounds like they have a suspect in custody. I also hope that if he is found guilty he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

But why the :banghead: :censored: does Sen. Warren D-Massachusetts have to bring this up during a GUN DEBATE. It has nothing to do with gun control it has to do with pressure cooker control.

I am not being insensitive but this is just a blatant attempt at trying to make people feel guilty.
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11 years 8 months ago #21918 by jtallen83

VTIT wrote: I can sympathize with the people that lost someone in the recent Boston bombings. It sounds like they have a suspect in custody. I also hope that if he is found guilty he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

But why the :banghead: :censored: does Sen. Warren D-Massachusetts have to bring this up during a GUN DEBATE. It has nothing to do with gun control it has to do with pressure cooker control.

I am not being insensitive but this is just a blatant attempt at trying to make people feel guilty.


Nail hit and driven home! These are the same tactics used by Hitler to gain control, fear-mongers is what they are. Now I'm supposed to feel bad for bringing Hitlers name into it, show me a better historical example of fear-mongering! If it is "insensitive" to have a relevant conversation then our freedom has been lost.

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11 years 8 months ago - 11 years 8 months ago #21928 by Sharkey
Sort of like Obama having the mother of one of the children killed in Newtown giving his weekly address.

When facts and statistics cannot support your points and goals, go with emotion in a "no holds barred" attempt to cloud the issues with the ideals of children and broken hearted parents.

God Bless the kids and families of these tragedies but the people USING tears and emotional pleas to win should all be impeached, fired, thrown down holes and left to rot.

The facts are clearly not in support of their goals so they jump on the backs of the dead and disgrace us all...
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