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Army awards SNIPER rifle contract

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11 years 8 months ago #20136 by OleCowboy
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faawrenchbndr wrote: Hey,.......as an aircraft guy, you guys have no clue as to how old most of the Air Force fleet is.
I worked on Tankers for 20+ years, the newest one was built in 1962!

How many here were even on the planet in '62?

As for the Remington contract........awesome, but I prefer my FN SPR over any Remington.

The B 52 is still in inventory, so is a lot of stuff that dates as far back as Korea war. My 4.2" mortar tubes were dated 1955...can only imagine the stuff that is out there...

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11 years 8 months ago #20138 by faawrenchbndr
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I do understand your point,.........the F22 was a huge POS for years!
Software nightmare! It's not all about ONE model, the entire fleet is old.

With budget cuts, tuition assistance cut, we will be damn lucky to have a
Military in a few years! While I believe new rifles are essential, we have
far more taxing issues at hand.

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11 years 8 months ago #20142 by Siscowet
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That is the tough part. We can't get everything. Gold Plating weapons systems skyrocket the price. My father helped develop the Bradley FV. The controversy was over giving it the hughes thermosight that the M1 tank had. At the time it cost as much as the rest of the Bradley.
The battle of 73 Easting proved that was a sound investment. But for 400 billion over the life of the contract for F35's? What do we give up and not get? I simply think they need to redraw the mission requirements for this program.

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11 years 8 months ago #20144 by Siscowet
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:hijacked: Back to thread: Who wouldn't like to own a single rifle that can be configured to shoot 7.62x51, .300 Winchester Mag, and 338 Lapua in the field? Three rifles in one.

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11 years 8 months ago #20150 by OleCowboy
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Siscowet wrote: :hijacked: Back to thread: Who wouldn't like to own a single rifle that can be configured to shoot 7.62x51, .300 Winchester Mag, and 338 Lapua in the field? Three rifles in one.

While on the surface this sounds ideal I think there may be some issues. Every different weapons platform shoots different than others. While this is the same form factor we are now changing calibers and performance all resulting in different shooting characteristics. Going to take a LOT of rds down range to make this feel so natural that one can shoot any caliber on any day and nail it in a one shot one kill model.

Mitigation: Extensive training in swapping calibers in the same engagement and acclimatizing yourself to the differences.

Possible relook the engagement model? In the Artillery we fire a rd down range but not on target in fact the intention is to not be on target. This is my spotter round, then I make an adjustment from there. A good Forward Observer should be one shot one kill from there, meaning one adjustment results in a fire for effect batter of six HE.

I see a scenario where a sniper has not fired the 338 L in a week, he has been shooting 7.62. New AO, new operation and he has to go to the 338 due to longer engagement ranges. This might require the sniper to fire off a few rds to reacclimatize himself...?

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11 years 8 months ago #20152 by mrraley
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Siscowet wrote: :hijacked: Back to thread: Who wouldn't like to own a single rifle that can be configured to shoot 7.62x51, .300 Winchester Mag, and 338 Lapua in the field? Three rifles in one.


This is no different than having three different uppers for your AR-10 or M-15.

M-15
5.56
7.62x39
6.8 SPC
.50AE

AR-10
7.62x51
.260
.243
.300 RSAUM

That was the whole reasoning of going to the SASS (SR-25) in 2006.

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11 years 8 months ago #20154 by mlotziii
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I didn't realize the used the M24 for anything more than training these days. It is ancient in terms of a sniper rifle platform. I thought these days they were using rifles like Cheytac

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11 years 8 months ago #20158 by 13fcolt
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Short story is there is a real douche behind the .408 Cheytac and essentially ripped off a lot of people that did the real work on developing the rifle and cartridge. Then turned against the civy market following, by offering the M200CIV, a rifle deliberately less accurate and prohibitively expensive claiming "no civilian has any business with this level of range and accuracy".

If anyone ever does get the chance to go .408. Look to EDM arms, the originator of the rifle itself and avoid all things cheytac.
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11 years 8 months ago #20380 by LebbenB
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Played with the Cheytac back in '04. The scope was AMAZING (Can't remember the brand, unfortunately.) - It came with a PDA that plugged into the scope via a USB port. The shooter put in his range, ammo and weather data then hit "enter." The scope adjusted itself for a Center of Mass shot. Pretty frakking cool. Here's a pic of the round:

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11 years 8 months ago #20387 by OleCowboy
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LebbenB wrote: Played with the Cheytac back in '04. The scope was AMAZING (Can't remember the brand, unfortunately.) - It came with a PDA that plugged into the scope via a USB port. The shooter put in his range, ammo and weather data then hit "enter." The scope adjusted itself for a Center of Mass shot. Pretty frakking cool. Here's a pic of the round:

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Put you skull cap on, I cannot find that scope with the data you provided, can you remember anything else????

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