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11 years 8 months ago #19410 by OleCowboy
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It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!

The extreme left led by Congressmen Schumer, Reid and Pelosi and spearheaded by Obama are slathering at the mouth over the latest incident as they see it as their opening for real “gun control”. Do they want to save children’s lives, or is that is all a ruse to constrain our freedoms by a government out of control?

I and everyone I know find what took place by a crazy man in Newtown beyond appalling, but, in spite of what our government says, it’s not the worst mass murder of people or children in recent history. 27 children and 49 adults were killed by our own government in Waco, Texas, 1993. Was it necessary for the US Government to send tanks and helicopters to solve the problem? This is called “democide”: “the murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide and mass murder.” According to a study done by R.J. Rummel, titled “Death by Government”, over the last century there have been 180-262 million victims of democide. Wars over the last century have killed about 50 million.

The foresight of our forefathers gave us the God given, inalienable rights of which one is the 2nd Amendment: “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” My interpretation of the 2nd is twofold: 1) A militia is necessary for a free state and the militia is made of a free people, I was a member of that militia. 2) The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. What is it about “shall not be infringed” that liberals do not understand? This unmistakably does not mean only a hunting rifle. The intent was that I could and should own a military or any rifle or pistol. In fact at one time not so long ago, you could keep the weapon you were issued while in the military and most did.

Obama says we need to study how we can prevent this senseless violence. There is no shortage of studies and having a new one done by a government agency is not likely to provide honest answers. Harvard, Obama’s alma mater, did an extensive study looking at US and European data. Published in the “Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy, Volume 30, Number 2” titled “Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?” The results stated there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime!

The CATO Institute study using data from the FBI also support the Harvard study. When guns were banned in the UK, and Australia armed robbery rates jumped 40% in both countries. The U.S. has the highest gun ownership in the world with 88 guns per 100 people, yet is 28th in the world when it comes to gun homicides of 2.97 per 100,000 people.

An additional common denominator in these horrific events…they all took place in ‘gun-free’ zones!

No matter how Obama, Diane Feinstein and their sycophants want to spin, guns are not the problem. Society has allowed school gun free zones to become magnets for people with severe mental issues. Diane Feinstein (Senate Bill 150, 2013) wants to address the problem by outlawing any gun with a pistol grip or detachable magazine etc., which according to Feinstein she came up with her list of 157 guns to be banned by looking at pictures! Cosmetics do not save lives. FBI Murder data for 2011 Homicides from rifles, 323; knives, 1659; hands, 728 and they want to ban rifles? The number 1 killer of children age 1-13 is auto accidents (Center for Disease Control) with over 2000 children being killed annually. Between 2006 and 2010 561 children under the age of 12 were killed by a gun…

No matter how one looks at this, we clearly have a government that has an agenda and it does not include saving our children’s or our lives, it’s about control, not gun control!

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11 years 8 months ago #19412 by jtallen83
Replied by jtallen83 on topic It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!

OleCowboy wrote: It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!

The extreme left led by Congressmen Schumer, Reid and Pelosi and spearheaded by Obama are slathering at the mouth over the latest incident as they see it as their opening for real “gun control”. Do they want to save children’s lives, or is that is all a ruse to constrain our freedoms by a government out of control?



Don't let the republican establishment fool you! They are just as much to blame as the liberals when it comes to wanting more federal power, who oversaw the creation of Homeland Security, the perscription drug plan, no child left behind, and many other socialist programs? Don't get me wrong, they are the lesser of two evils but evil is still evil :evil: Bigger government is still bigger government.
Our willingness to choose between the lesser of two evils for all these years is at the core of the problem.
With that point made...... You are 100% correct, it is all about the power!

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11 years 8 months ago #19414 by OleCowboy
Replied by OleCowboy on topic It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!

jtallen83 wrote:

OleCowboy wrote: It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!

The extreme left led by Congressmen Schumer, Reid and Pelosi and spearheaded by Obama are slathering at the mouth over the latest incident as they see it as their opening for real “gun control”. Do they want to save children’s lives, or is that is all a ruse to constrain our freedoms by a government out of control?



Don't let the republican establishment fool you! They are just as much to blame as the liberals when it comes to wanting more federal power, who oversaw the creation of Homeland Security, the perscription drug plan, no child left behind, and many other socialist programs? Don't get me wrong, they are the lesser of two evils but evil is still evil :evil: Bigger government is still bigger government.
Our willingness to choose between the lesser of two evils for all these years is at the core of the problem.
With that point made...... You are 100% correct, it is all about the power!


Yes that is the name of the game in all political circles

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11 years 8 months ago #19416 by faawrenchbndr
Replied by faawrenchbndr on topic It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!
Gun control is using two hands!

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11 years 8 months ago #19559 by sansone
Replied by sansone on topic It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!
as an FFL I try to avoid these discussions because my livelihood will diminish with tighter restrictions so I am biased. BUT what makes my blood boil is the simple meddling with the constitution and our freedoms.
How can folks not understand that ANY attacks on the constitution are attacks on EVERYBODY.
It matters not whether you own guns or not, all citizens should see what is being attempted by uncle sam is just the beginning of TOTAL EROSION OF OUR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS

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11 years 8 months ago #19567 by Sharkey
Replied by Sharkey on topic It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!

sansone wrote: as an FFL I try to avoid these discussions because my livelihood will diminish with tighter restrictions so I am biased. BUT what makes my blood boil is the simple meddling with the constitution and our freedoms.
How can folks not understand that ANY attacks on the constitution are attacks on EVERYBODY.
It matters not whether you own guns or not, all citizens should see what is being attempted by uncle sam is just the beginning of TOTAL EROSION OF OUR INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS


Well said Sir... :thumbs:

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11 years 8 months ago #19587 by Redscout02
Replied by Redscout02 on topic It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!
I keep repeating this over and over, and I know I am preaching, but if we let them take away our guns, freedom of speech is next.

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11 years 8 months ago #19635 by OleCowboy
Replied by OleCowboy on topic It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!

Redscout02 wrote: I keep repeating this over and over, and I know I am preaching, but if we let them take away our guns, freedom of speech is next.

Then YOU GET IT! One has to understand the 'end game'. The end game is not just gun control but rather the overturning of our bill of rights and the Constitution itself. They go after guns because it appears that might be the easiest and most popular due to the shootings like Sandy Hook etc. If they can abridge the 2nd Amendment then the 1st comes next starting with freedom of speech. Albeit we already have a severely constrained 1st and our FoS now, it just has not been acknowledged publicly.

I will live to see our Constitution moved to the Smithsonian Museum and classified as a relic...

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11 years 8 months ago - 11 years 8 months ago #19638 by ernierod
Replied by ernierod on topic It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!
Originally,the second amendment was to insure the people had access to firearms, to protect themselves from the GOVERNMENT. It's as simple as that.With out firearms-we lose a certain amount of freedom and become subjects again-slaves,if you will.Hitler used the exact same arguments-safer society,reduced crime,safer streets etc-all to remove private ownership of firearms from the people-who soon became subjects of the Third Reich.Registration/excessive back round checks simply leaves a paper trail for a GOVT to easily locate firearm owners-should the GOVT want to go down the path of selective confiscation/tax or cumbersome restrictive paperwork on guns or ammunition.MHO of course.
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11 years 8 months ago #19641 by OleCowboy
Replied by OleCowboy on topic It’s not about Guns, it’s about Control!

ernierod wrote: Originally,the second amendment was to insure the people had access to firearms, to protect themselves from the GOVERNMENT. It's as simple as that.With out firearms-we lose a certain amount of freedom and become subjects again-slaves,if you will.Hitler used the exact same arguments-safer society,reduced crime,safer streets etc-all to remove private ownership of firearms from the people-who soon became subjects of the Third Reich.Registration/excessive back round checks simply leaves a paper trail for a GOVT to easily locate firearm owners-should the GOVT want to go down the path of selective confiscation/tax or cumbersome restrictive paperwork on guns or ammunition.MHO of course.

I truly love it when someone GETS IT! Thanks to you.

The second purpose of the 2nd was to DEFEND ourselves against Tyranny. The current argument for gun control simply has no basis in gun control at all, the safety of us our children or anything else other than control of the people. We are moving at an unbelievable pace towards a communist-socialist form of government with an elected dictator. [FYI there are currently about 45 dictators world wide almost all are based upon communist-socialist doctrine, almost ALL of these 45 dictators are ELECTED and almost ALL have the title of PRESIDENT.]

Unless something radical happens its highly unlikely we will see anything but a Democratic led govt at least thru 2024 if not beyond for a litany of reasons too long to even go into. But the key is the state of Texas. If Texas goes Dem (blue) then you can expect Dem rule as far as you can imagine. As a Texan I see us going blue sooner rather than later....too many Republicans in this state are so confident it will NEVER happen that its being ignored and mostly laughed off and no way! I am very involved in politics here and am quite dismayed at what I see happening or not happening.

If Tex goes Dem then so will Congress and you can say good bye to the Constitution as we know it.

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