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Fell into AR 10
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12 years 9 months ago #10290
by JeffSavannah
Replied by JeffSavannah on topic Re: Fell into AR 10
Ole Cowboy, you mentioned that your wife didn't like the M1A for it's weight? It may be hard to tell now before you get this SASS put together, but it's going to tip the scales at over 11 pounds unloaded, no scope/mount. You are looking at 12+ pounds and 2" more barrel length loaded with scope. That M1A at 18" is probably around 9.8 pounds loaded with five rounds and your average scope weight. She's prolly not going to be able to share this SASS, if that's your intent. I wouldn't want to carry a SuperSass around through the woods of any kind myself, and I'm above average size. I think you should consider a carbine especially for hog hunting in fairly thick brush. I'm assuming this is the 20" standard Arm. SuperSASS barrel, and that you are not going to be trying to shoot deer at long ranges either?... That's a 1000 yard capable gun... and while I personally WOULD FIND a place for it in my collection, especially at that price... I don't think you are going to settle on this for your hog gun once you get out in the field with it. If money is an issue and you need to spend limited money and check off the "hog gun" need you have, I would consider either selling it as is for $1500 or so, or trading it for a complete gun more along the lines of a short to medium range hog gun in carbine length, of which many Armalites are available that fit the description. I would get a light profile, chrome lined barrel choice, slap the red dot 3x like has been suggested, and bam. With a 3x9 scope, and good ammo, you can take care of a 300 to 400 yard deer shot with that type of carbine, no problem. Or, if you can afford it... keep that sucker and whenever you can, get the armalite lower assembly with a match trigger and bring that gun to it's full potential. Head out to the open country and take down one of those trophy TX deer from 1000 yards or something... Oh, and I finally decided on the Nikon Prostaff 3x9x40 with the duplex ret ($170+tax) for my Noveske N6 Carbine (I had similar needs to cover as you seem to...) but I was really close to getting the Redfield Revenge (New product line, $170 @opticsplanet.com) with the "Accu-Ranger" range finding retical with hold over points out to five hundred yards. Very good for quick target aquisition (at it's 3x power setting) for close encounters, but also quick if a longer shot opens up. 
Any way you decide to go, you got a really sweet deal! Congrats on the steal!
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12 years 9 months ago #10292
by OleCowboy
Replied by OleCowboy on topic Re: Fell into AR 10
Gun Shop: Called the guy in SA and told him I waned to order some parts for my AR. Had some time on my hands as wife is out of town, so I said WTH, I will run down there. I did and he seems to be a gunsmith, not a gun store. He carries no nothing. But, I said I wanted a AR 10 SASS Lower. Then he tries to sell me a DPMS, which I push back all I get is a story about how long it will take. If I had wanted a DPMS lower I could have bought one anywhere, not drive 32 miles to order a AR and told they take too long to come in...seems like that is my issue not his. He quotes $575 + tax + shipping for a DPMS lower, bare, trigger kit and a Magpul stock as comes on the SASS.
When I asked if the trigger group was the AR Tactical or the NM, he did not seem to know what I was talking about. I then told him that AR refers to their groups as Tactical and NM or National Match.
I then asked him could I see the catalog he was looking at, he was reluctant to provide it, but did, it was a Brownells catalog...unless I m wrong they do not have AR parts or I could not find them on the website.
Of note is the whole discussion took place with me standing at a counter and him at the very back of the room almost having to yell for me to hear him.
Maybe he is a good gunsmith, but that is not how I do business, I get face to face, books are open and while I may try to provide info about a similar product the reality is the customer is always right. You make sales based upon a developing a personal relationship, not yelling across the room.
I think its more a combo of weight and physical size. The M1 is larger dimensions, especially the user interface (grip etc). While the SASS is not light, its ergonomics are much better for handling, is a easier grip and works with smaller hands. She has a Ruger Ranch rifle in 5.56, it weighs in at about 7 lbs dry and is quite short for her. I don't see her really using the SASS or a variant of in 7.62 very much if at all.
I do agree with you on your points, but having landed on this at this price point I will suffer it... :laugh: I am big guy and spend a lot of time driving a Husky 455 Rancher chainsaw that comes in at about 16 lbs wet and unlike the AR most of the work I do with it (clearing land) is done at arms length so I think I am up to the task of hauling the SASS.
With the SASS I can head out just west of the hill country and pop out to the limits of the weapon on mule deer.
I like your recommendations on optics, I will look into this. Those are decent price points for a working gun. Thanks
When I asked if the trigger group was the AR Tactical or the NM, he did not seem to know what I was talking about. I then told him that AR refers to their groups as Tactical and NM or National Match.
I then asked him could I see the catalog he was looking at, he was reluctant to provide it, but did, it was a Brownells catalog...unless I m wrong they do not have AR parts or I could not find them on the website.
Of note is the whole discussion took place with me standing at a counter and him at the very back of the room almost having to yell for me to hear him.
Maybe he is a good gunsmith, but that is not how I do business, I get face to face, books are open and while I may try to provide info about a similar product the reality is the customer is always right. You make sales based upon a developing a personal relationship, not yelling across the room.
JeffSavannah wrote: Ole Cowboy, you mentioned that your wife didn't like the M1A for it's weight? It may be hard to tell now before you get this SASS put together, but it's going to tip the scales at over 11 pounds unloaded, no scope/mount. You are looking at 12+ pounds and 2" more barrel length loaded with scope. That M1A at 18" is probably around 9.8 pounds loaded with five rounds and your average scope weight. She's prolly not going to be able to share this SASS, if that's your intent. I wouldn't want to carry a SuperSass around through the woods of any kind myself, and I'm above average size. I think you should consider a carbine especially for hog hunting in fairly thick brush. I'm assuming this is the 20" standard Arm. SuperSASS barrel, and that you are not going to be trying to shoot deer at long ranges either?... That's a 1000 yard capable gun... and while I personally WOULD FIND a place for it in my collection, especially at that price... I don't think you are going to settle on this for your hog gun once you get out in the field with it. If money is an issue and you need to spend limited money and check off the "hog gun" need you have, I would consider either selling it as is for $1500 or so, or trading it for a complete gun more along the lines of a short to medium range hog gun in carbine length, of which many Armalites are available that fit the description. I would get a light profile, chrome lined barrel choice, slap the red dot 3x like has been suggested, and bam. With a 3x9 scope, and good ammo, you can take care of a 300 to 400 yard deer shot with that type of carbine, no problem. Or, if you can afford it... keep that sucker and whenever you can, get the armalite lower assembly with a match trigger and bring that gun to it's full potential. Head out to the open country and take down one of those trophy TX deer from 1000 yards or something... Oh, and I finally decided on the Nikon Prostaff 3x9x40 with the duplex ret ($170+tax) for my Noveske N6 Carbine (I had similar needs to cover as you seem to...) but I was really close to getting the Redfield Revenge (New product line, $170 @opticsplanet.com) with the "Accu-Ranger" range finding retical with hold over points out to five hundred yards. Very good for quick target aquisition (at it's 3x power setting) for close encounters, but also quick if a longer shot opens up.
I think its more a combo of weight and physical size. The M1 is larger dimensions, especially the user interface (grip etc). While the SASS is not light, its ergonomics are much better for handling, is a easier grip and works with smaller hands. She has a Ruger Ranch rifle in 5.56, it weighs in at about 7 lbs dry and is quite short for her. I don't see her really using the SASS or a variant of in 7.62 very much if at all.
I do agree with you on your points, but having landed on this at this price point I will suffer it... :laugh: I am big guy and spend a lot of time driving a Husky 455 Rancher chainsaw that comes in at about 16 lbs wet and unlike the AR most of the work I do with it (clearing land) is done at arms length so I think I am up to the task of hauling the SASS.
With the SASS I can head out just west of the hill country and pop out to the limits of the weapon on mule deer.
I like your recommendations on optics, I will look into this. Those are decent price points for a working gun. Thanks
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