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10 years 5 months ago #41013 by OleCowboy
6 Facts About AR-15 Gas Impingement Vs. Piston
By: Richard A. Mann | June 18, 2014

Some say the gas impingement operating system is like a person who poops on the same table they eat from. But is that really fair? Here are Richard Mann’s 6 factual observations in the AR-15 gas impingement vs. piston debate.

With the gas impingement system, gas is diverted from the barrel through a tube and back into the upper receiver to operate the action.
With the gas impingement system, gas is diverted from the barrel through a tube and back into the upper receiver to operate the action. Click to enlarge.

As someone who tests and reviews guns for a variety of firearms periodicals, I’ve had the opportunity to test versions of both the gas impingement and piston-driven ARs. Here are my factual discoveries:

1. Piston-driven guns run much cleaner. Fire a 30-round magazine through a piston-driven AR and it will look just as clean afterwards as it did before you fired it.

2. Piston-driven guns run much cooler. You’ll have to shoot about 100 rounds through a piston gun and a gas gun to really feel the difference, but it is there.

3. On average, piston-driven guns are less accurate. This does not mean piston-driven ARs are inaccurate, but, looking over my test records, the most accurate ARs I’ve tested have been those that work with the gas impingement system.

4. On average, piston-driven guns cost more. This observation must be qualified with “it depends.” There are some very expensive gas impingement ARs and some piston-driven ARs that are not all that expensive. However, if you want to purchase the least expensive AR possible, it will be a gas impingement gun.

With the gas piston system, gas is funneled from the barrel to drive a piston that works the action.

5. If you intend to run a suppressor on your AR, it has been my experience that the gas impingement guns are more suppressor-friendly, especially those with an adjustable gas block that allows you to control the amount of gas directed back through the gas tube.

6. Both piston-driven and gas impingement guns are very reliable. If, by magic, you inserted me in the pages of Bryce Towsley’s book The 14th Reinstated and I had to live through a social and economic collapse where there were roving bands of marauders, and if you told me I had to pick between a gas impingement or a piston-driven AR, I really would not care which one I ended up with. Except for three things: parts for gas impingement ARs are easier to find, much more plentiful, and less expensive.

Now, here’s the good news. The unmatched modularity of the AR allows you to, in a way, have your cake and eat it, too. If you own a gas impingement AR and want to try a piston-driven AR, just purchase a piston-driven upper receiver. Since the gas impingement and piston systems work independently of the lower receiver, you can alternate between both on the same lower receiver.

Gun Digest Shooter's Guide to the AR-15This article is an excerpt from the Gun Digest Shooter’s Guide to the AR-15.
www.gundigest.com/tactical-gear/tactical...mpingement-vs-piston
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10 years 5 months ago #41014 by OleCowboy
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I came across this article and it points out 6 facts: I put a couple in bold and will address those:

"2. Piston-driven guns run much cooler.":

I find this impossible. The bullet fired generates x amount of btu's of heat. Being piston or gas impingement does not change that. What they should say is the the heat is moved to a different location.

"3. On average, piston-driven guns are less accurate.":


Its my GUESS that moving the heat to the center mass of the barrel is the cause of its lack of accuracy...

Anyone have any other thoughts?????
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10 years 5 months ago #41051 by Siscowet
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I have read four of Dick Mann's AR15 Gun Digest volumes, and find I agree with a lot of what he says, and disagree with some. If I was in the sand box of Afghanistan, probably would want whatever weapon was most reliable when filled with crud, probably an H and K 416 piston model, or an FN SCAR 16. For me, I want maximum accuracy and compatibility, so I will stick with DGI. Some piston weapons seem nose heavy to me, but maybe a full magazine eliminates that impression.

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10 years 5 months ago #41063 by OleCowboy
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I hear that often that they are noise heavy. My wife has a piston Ruger and I can tell its there but not sure its and issue. Maybe if I handled it more I would notice.

Or is that only a case of weak arms. Think the piston is nose heavy, take a M 14 and attach a bayonet to it...

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