House to vote on banning plastic guns

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31773 by OleCowboy
I see this more of a non issue than anything else. The fear is the gun cannot be detected...OK, legit (I think) but how many of us want to start shooting up the place with a plastic gun? We have plastic guns out there now (Glock). Put a camera on a plastic gun and fire it, go S L O W motion and the gun (Glock etc) torque, a prime reason why they have not met with acceptance in our military. I have my Dad's 1911 issued to him in '34 IIRC, Pacific in WWII, Korea, Vietnam and I carry to this day, if you think any plastic gun is going to take that and still tickin don't hold your breath.

To shoot a plastic gun as in HOMEMADE then you better go for low power rds or what that plastic bbl blow itself and your hand to bits.

Bottom line IMO: I think to be very effective you will need to have metal involved and anyone on a kill binge is not going to pick a gun that has a high likelihood of fail...






House set to vote on bill banning plastic guns amid 3D printing worries

WASHINGTON – The House is expected to vote this week on renewing a 25-year-old law that bans the production of undetectable guns, in an age when new technology could open the door to at-home production of plastic weapons.

The law itself is set to expire on Dec. 9, and lawmakers are divided on whether to renew it.

The measure to renew it, sponsored by Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., would prohibit the manufacture of plastic weapons, which can’t be detected when going through security at airports and other metal detectors. There has been growing concern over the emergence of 3D printing, which can now create some operable plastic guns and other weapons.

The House was originally set to vote late Monday on the bill, but Coble had trouble catching a flight back to Washington -- so the House is expected to handle the bill on Tuesday. The bill will need a two-thirds majority to pass the House.

Last week, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., as well as other Republicans, blocked the Senate from considering the renewal. The bill in the Senate was brought up by Democratic Sens. Chuck Schumer of New York, Bill Nelson of Florida and Patrick Leahy, of Vermont.

The Undetectable Firearms Act, which was first enacted in 1988 and reauthorized in 2003, makes it illegal to “manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer or receive” any firearm that’s undetectable by metal detectors and X-ray machines.

The National Rifle Association has not publicly stated where it stands on the proposed extension. Gun Owners of America, a smaller gun rights group, told The New York Times that the extension is unnecessary because 3D printing technology is not widely available.

“They’re not going to be in Kinkos,” Larry Pratt, the group's executive director, told the newspaper. “And at the moment, they can’t fire that many rounds. It’s just not something that we’re going to be dealing with anytime soon.”

Schumer, however, has said the technology of 3D printing has advanced to the point anyone with $1,000 and an Internet connection can access the plastic parts that can be fitted into a gun. Those firearms can't be detected by metal detectors or X-ray machines.

The senator says that means anyone can download a gun cheaply, then take the weapons anywhere, including high-security areas.

More than 100,000 copies of plans for the world's first 3D-printed handgun, The Liberator, were downloaded in May before the State Department told the Texas-based nonprofit behind the firearm to stop sharing the file.

Fox News' Chad Pergram and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/02/hous...weapons-bill-monday/

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31775 by Siscowet
Better off improving detection technology.

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31777 by OleCowboy

Siscowet wrote: Better off improving detection technology.

I agree there. Passing a law that says you cannot build a 3D gun will ONLY APPLY to WHO????

ans: Law Abiding Citizens

It does not and will no apply to Illegals, radical Muslims, nut jobs etc. Bottom line, another wasted law.

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31782 by MrMarty51
I guess I had better get those poly 80% AR15s ordered up, they`ll be after those too.

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31784 by OleCowboy
Breaking:

The House has renewed a ban on firearms that can evade metal detectors, which would prohibit all-plastic weapons produced by 3-D printers; the Senate is expected to vote next.

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31810 by Wizard509
Here is an excerpt from a related Gun Owners of America article:

The "plastic gun ban" is another massive time bomb sitting in federal law. And it will be reauthorized (for as much as a decade) in the next two weeks -- if we don't stop it.

Unless it existed before December 10, 1988, the plastic gun ban absolutely bans any gun that is not as detectable in a "walk-through metal detector" as a Security Exemplar {18 U.S.C. 922(p)(1)(A) and (6)}.

The “Security Exemplar” is a piece of metal that the ATF uses to calibrate how much steel a manufacturer needs to put in the gun to make it beep in the metal detector. Other than the fact that it has to contain 3.7 ounces of steel and look sort of like a gun, anti-gun Attorney General Eric Holder can determine, by regulatory fiat, the characteristics of the Exemplar.

He can determine whether you test guns with a "top flight" metal detector -- or a crummy one. He can determine how many times (or thousands of times) a gun has to pass in order not to be banned.

In addition, every "major component" of every firearm has to pass through an airport x-ray in such a way that its shape is "accurately" depicted {18 U.S.C. 922(p)(1)(b)}.

The statute contains a list of parts of guns which are definitely "major components." But is that list exclusive? If we didn't have a President and an Attorney General who have violated and perverted the law again and again and again, we might be able to conclude that it was exclusive. But the language is not so definitive as to protect us against an administration intent on destroying us.



Taken from gunowners.org/alert12032013.htm on 12/03/2013

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