Congress Votes to Eliminate Service Camo Patterns

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11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #24911 by OleCowboy
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House Votes to Eliminate Service Camo Patterns
Jun 06, 2013
Military.com| by Matthew Cox and Michael Hoffman
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A Congressional committee voted Wednesday to end service-specific camouflage in an amendment that would push the military toward creating joint combat uniforms by 2018.
Committee members expressed frustration over the millions of dollars the services have spent to field camouflage patterns that focus more on creating a visual brand than effective concealment for the battlefield.
This is not the first time the Pentagon has been criticized over its management of camouflage development.

www.military.com/daily-news/2013/06/06/h...e-camo-patterns.html

1) Its ABOUT time, lots of cost savings

2) I have to questions WHY is Congress involved at all. Should this not be the domain of senior leadership of the military. We either have a overly meddling Congress or we have a weak senior leadership or perhaps in this case BOTH
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11 years 6 months ago #24912 by Dabu
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:mad: Not only no, but f:censored: no.

Don't fix things that arn't broken.

This is what happens when you waste time and money.
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11 years 6 months ago #24913 by jtallen83
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I think it would be a good thing to concentrate on what works best for the job. I really don't care if it costs more or less money, the objective is to lose fewer lives, isn't it? :whistle:
In this specific case congress is needed to move things forward. In my book the committee vote should be the signal for the Generals to get busy, if they can show good progress congress will move on.
My:twocents: anyway.

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11 years 6 months ago #24923 by OleCowboy
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jtallen83 wrote: I think it would be a good thing to concentrate on what works best for the job. I really don't care if it costs more or less money, the objective is to lose fewer lives, isn't it? :whistle:
In this specific case congress is needed to move things forward. In my book the committee vote should be the signal for the Generals to get busy, if they can show good progress congress will move on.
My:twocents: anyway.

The longer the POTUS stays in office the more the senior leadership looks like the POTUS and his policies. What I see is a WEAK group, unable to make decisions and more political than anything else.


Bit of BAD news(I just found this out yesterday): General Wayne Downing passed away in 2007. I had not kept track of him too much after I retired. He was my boss for a while when he was DCST TRADOC. OF all the DCST's I worked for he was clearly the best head and shoulders over the others. One of my fav GO's, I really liked him and enjoyed my quite often interaction. He swore me in as a Regular Officer.

Gen Downing had one hellva career and if you guys want to see a soldiers General, just look at his assignment. He was a real leader and worked hard for the Army and the people in it.

RIP General Downing: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_A._Downing

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11 years 6 months ago #24925 by Siscowet
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To lose an officer of his caliber to something like meningitis is truly sad.

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11 years 6 months ago #25068 by Dabu
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11 years 6 months ago #25090 by magi
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Dabu wrote: :mad: Not only no, but f:censored: no.

Don't fix things that arn't broken.

This is what happens when you waste time and money.

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This is so funny..... I'm gonna put it on my face book page......

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11 years 6 months ago #25172 by kitch27
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:I-agree: I agree with this actually, not that I am completly comfortable with Congressional involvement.

Each service has their own service and dress uniform that distinguishes them in garrison. However, the utility uniform is designed for field/combat use. In the combat environment the Armed Forces should wear the same uniform. The question then becomes how many uniforms? Is a desert pattern and woodland pattern enough?

The waste in dollars is amazing, with the Army throwing out their ACU becuase the pattern didn't meet the need of both desert and woodland (over 8 billion spent). The Navy with their NWU's. There is a blue pair for everyone in the Navy, then there is the new woodland pattern for most combat related personnel and now a specific Navy Seal pattern. Can anyone say overboard? Air Force with their blue'ish camo pattern. Last I checked, blue isn't working for any service.

Generals and Admirals: Get to a consenus, figure out the requirements that meet mission and make a decision for service wide combat/utility uniforms so our Armed Forces display a united front when they are tasked to deploy to whatever cause is on the horizon.

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11 years 6 months ago - 11 years 6 months ago #25173 by markshere2
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Stupid uniform tricks is what the military is all about.
From mandatory hats that are hot in summer cold in winter don't keep the sun out of your eyes or the rain off your neck.......

to a wide variety of just plain wrong clothes: cammies for desk workers, mandatory scarves for guys in flightsuits, and that dam stupid backwards American flag patch.

One bright move in the last 20 years: Finally somebody figured out that black heavy boots in the desert is pretty stupid.

And at least there have been some efforts to match colors to terrains expected to fight in.

No doubt there's a need for white, desert and woodland cammies... for combat troops.

The rest... pick one and stay with it for the sake of a budget of our money!
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