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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #16131 by Siscowet
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As a recent thread unfortunately graphically shows, anytime you get an unsettled situation like is occurring with modern sporting rifles and their accessories right now, there are going to be people trying to take advantage of the situation at the expense of unsuspecting well intentioned prospective customers. We need to be extra careful in who we buy from right now, and also have each others back as to sharing information about dependable and shady dealers and suppliers who are going to try to take advantage of the situation. Ole Cowboy just did some above and beyond work doing research on another site members question regarding a supplier. I suggest you read it if you want details and draw your own conclusions. The point I am making is: Share information as you get it or hear it when it comes to websites. And remember the sponsoring websites on this page pay for the right to support our forum, and should deserve serious consideration when you start shopping. Also they have a vested interest in staying reputable. :soapbox:
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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #16132 by Sharkey
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scumbags everywhere. Fortunately though, since we are spread all over the country, perhaps, whenever we find a link to supplies that seems too good to be true or just seemed to pop up out of nowhere, we could:

A. Contact OleCowboy so he can check em out via his obvious computer savvy (if he's willing to do it for all of our sakes)

B. Maybe find someone in that area, one of OUR members that could check the source out if they are claiming a "physical location" with a polite drive by - if possible - before we spread any word.

C. Keep in touch with each other as to orders we've made and issues that may occur during our business transactions and if you actually RECEIVE your order from a site that may be in question - let us all know asap so we know things are looking up.

None of us like to think we may have been taken and I do NOT want to start "bashing" businesses on a public forum so let's use some discretion until we are certain the source is not to be trusted or we have found solid evidence of wrong doing.

Although times are VERY wild right now, let's maintain our ranks tight, communicate with each other well and ONLY act if we are certain something stinks in Shanghai...
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11 years 11 months ago #16139 by Charlie
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When I find a good supplier I tend to stick with them. There was an ammo supplier I ordered from once and got good product and timely service. Next time I went to order their website was down for maintenance, for weeks, and then google said they had multiple complaints for undelivered product, so even good folks go bad. That looks like what happened to personal choice because their facebook page has over 1K "Likes".

Charlie

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11 years 11 months ago #16162 by OleCowboy
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Thank you for the compliments.

Yes I am IT, when I got to old and broken to be a Infantry officer the Army sent school to become a software engineer. I have been on the Internet since '78 and drilling down and finding stuff is something I can do. Be happy to help someone out, I don't have a dog in any hunt so all you will get is info I pull up and only my opinion to go along with it, not gonna try and tell anyone what to do.

I have started and owned several companies both in the IT business and out. As someone who takes credit cards of all kinds in my business when a company debits your card up front its often to use the money to BUY the product they are trying to sell. This to me is an indicator they are a garage operation and have no money to back them...that said you might run into something unique that they want a payment up front. Like ordering a car they want usually a $500 deposit. I did have to put down $5000 deposit on a car I ordered due to the color combo...Yellow with Red interior, LOL.

In todays climate of run of the mill AR's selling for 3x its retail price I would think taking a AR into inventory and a customer not picking it up would not be a bad thing.

One last comment: We are truly living in troubled times in more ways that one and with the gun and 2nd Amend madness going on we have a fight on our hands, but in addition this climate opens the door to scams, and rip off artists in it for the money and nothing else.

I know a gun store here in Texas that is currently doing over $1 Million per month in long guns. At a recent gun show here in San Antonio, every single AR or AR like weapon was sold by 3 pm on the first day of a 2 day show. Guys are paying anything being asked, almost cannot touch a AR for under $2500.

There is however a bit of good news. This price spike has not affected the high end, such as AR10-T or SSAS and others that normally sell close to $3k+. Not sure why, but I know several stores that have high end AR's sitting on the shelf...I do find that confusing, why give $2500 for some AR make by 'ShootumUp' which is made of just assorted parts made by someone else in some guys garage when you can buy for only a few dollars more a high end weapon.

Also a ray of hope here in Texas. A bill had been introduced to exempt gun manufacturers from Federal laws if the guns is made and sold here in Texas.

Be cautious.

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11 years 11 months ago #16164 by VTIT
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Hey OleCowboy looks like you and I are in the same bizness. I took my first programming class in 1981, then went in the military. I am the IT manager at a tech company in NH and own an IT consulting company on the side.

Sounds like just the opposite of what you did. I think we are in opposite ends of the US too.

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11 years 11 months ago #16166 by OleCowboy
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LOL, yea, you need to think about retiring for sure...I sold my consulting and support services company back in 2000 and have never looked back.

I am a software, hardware and network engineer, the Army will send you to a LOT of schools. While I have a lot of specialities my fav was database and software design.

I was a hard bitten Infantry soldier when it was time to serve a tour in my secondary MOS which was ORSA (operations research and systems analysis), but HQDA called and said we need computer folks and would I change secondaries...well you can imagine all I wanted to do was wear a rucksack and as we say, 'shoot, move and communicate 'acorss the battlefield. The reality was I did not care, I just wanted it over and back to combat units.

Well I have been in my first assignment for a few months at TACATA (TRADOC Army Combined Arms Testing Agency)...its mid January, West Ft Hood, Texas. The post is to be closed at 2 pm due to a oncoming ice storm, its raining and blowing sideways, near freezing already and for the FIRST time in my military career, as I sit in a nice chair in a warm office, I realize I am not HOT HORNY or HUNGRY and in a about an hour I am going home rather than heading out in the cold with a rucksack on my back.

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