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11 years 11 months ago #15468 by Sharkey
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JSteinhoff wrote: May I suggest offering to the other side some reasonable, logical options? Such as a requirement for all gun show sales transactions, require a full and complete background check? The NRA has not to date suggested smart solutions to help prevent
future criminals acts. We all know bans do not work, and I am totally opposed to such legislation.

Morons like Ted Nugent do not speak for me. " Suck on the end of my machine gun" is not going to cut it.

Most gun owners, NRA or not, are smart, savy, well informed citizens.

Both sides yellin with talking points, into their respective corners, will not protect our 2nd amendment rights.

Respectfully,

JS


What I find to be THE most disconcerting is the fact that NOTHING we offer is even going to be heard. They have set their agenda and what we all say is simply falling on "deafened" ears - I say "deafened" and not deaf because they CAN hear, but for some reason, they won't, they refuse to, they refuse to LOOK at REAL and GENUINE statistics. They REFUSE to see and/or ignore EVERYTHING factual and are just bolstering their "evil weapons" agenda even at the risk of appearing stupid.

THAT is what worries me.

They don't care about facts and historical data. All they care about at the moment is riding this wave of insanity and waves of insanity NEVER end well for those in the wake.

If they pull this off, there will be NO stopping them and they will be on a roll that will end our country completely.

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11 years 11 months ago #15469 by 13fcolt
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I think many are losing sight of what this is about. These people know full well what our argument is. They understand full well what the facts are and comprehend the facts as well as any of us. It's not that they do not get it, because they do. They do hear what we say, and odd as it may seem, they agree with us wholeheartedly. This is what they are against. All of those arguments, stats, facts, valid points, etc. are the things they oppose. Yes, they know an armed society is safer. They know full well that crime rates plummet where the citizenry is armed. This is what they don't like. They want that all to stop. The issue was never safety or preventing anything bad from happening. This is not about sporting purpose or reasonable restrictions. This has always been about power and control. This has always been about creating subjects dependent on their rulers.

I know it is hard to get how someone can hear the facts and still be opposed to them, but it is true. When you say something like "guns are no more at fault for murder than pencils are at fault for spelling errors" They get it. They know you are right and they hate you for it. They do not want it to be that way. These people want the world to be one where the pencil is to blame.

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11 years 11 months ago #15479 by jtallen83
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Morons like Ted Nugent do not speak for me. " Suck on the end of my machine gun" is not going to cut it.

Ted can speak for me, if we don't hold firm on this our guns will be gone. He is more consistant than any politician I've seen, besides maybe my local representative who is also a fan of Uncle Ted.
There should be no bargaining on this subject, we've been doing that since '68 and the anti-gun people are never satisfied. In '68 the big manufacturers like Colt and S&W promoted the gun control act themselves because it secured their market from foreign imports and they believed it would end the call for more control. The violence continued to increase.
I have not heard much talk about the history of banning guns. The first modern day ban originated with that great humanitarian, Adolf Hitler. Here is a quote from a 1935 Berlin paper,
” This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” Adolf Hitler.


Just follow the path Hitler took from gun registration, banning military style weapons (bolt action then), banning Jews from owning any weapons, to finally confiscating all weapons as well as eliminating most owners. Shortly after these laws were enforced the mass round up of Jews began. If the Jews of Europe had been armed Hitler couldn't have killed as many as he did. These are the facts of gun control that history provides us.
We need everyone on board to fight this, from the uncle Ted's to those with a calmer approach.

Don't get me wrong, I sympathize with those of you living in states that are considering bans but..... this is the price you pay for tolerating the politicians you have elected. I have been assured that there will be no bans making it out of committee in the Iowa legislature for at least the next two years. My state politicians are all busy telling the feds to back off. Our local law enforcement perceives all the federal task force stuff as usurping local police authority and stay as far away as they can from these federal power grabs as possible. Most people around here are libertarians they just don't know it, yet! We have lots of empty farm places for sale around here and we love to have gun toting neighbors! :usa:
Sorry Sharkey, no strippers here but you can catch some 50 pound cat out of the river fairly regularly!

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11 years 11 months ago #15494 by Sharkey
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Thanks JT, believe it or not, if I could find a job as secure as the one I've got right now, I MIGHT have to consider a major move.

As for the "strippers" I'm pretty sure my wife won't mind that there aren't any and I ain't much for spendin money on em anyway. She WILL miss the salt water fish we catch though... :laugh:


(I'm no spelling nazi but ONCE in a while it's a fun one - sorry JT :) )

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11 years 11 months ago #15495 by VTIT
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First off; jtallen83 how are home prices in Iowa?

Second here is some stuff I copied from different places on the interwebs. Plagiarism at its best:
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Alexander Solzhenitsyn is the "father of democracy" in Russia. In one of his books, the first volume of "Gulag Archipelago," he wrote about how the communists in Russia, who consisted of only the Jews and a tiny minority of Russian criminals, amoral opportunists, and welfare rabble were able to maintain their grip on all of Russia by keeping the Russian majority, which hated them, too frightened to resist. when the Jewish commissar Genrikh Yagoda headed the Soviet secret police, and Yagoda's black vans went out every night in St. Petersburg, known then as Leningrad, to round up "class enemies": former members of the aristocracy, former civil servants, former businessmen, former teachers and professors and professional people, any Russian -- any real Russian -- who had graduated from a university. A quarter of the population of the city was arrested and liquidated by Yagoda during this two-year period.

And Solzhenitsyn laments that the citizens of St. Petersburg cowered behind their doors when the black vans pulled up at their apartment houses night after night to arrest their neighbors. If only the decent Russians had fought back, Solzhenitsyn says, if only they had ambushed some of these secret police thugs in the hallways of their apartments with knives and pickaxes and hammers, if only they had spiked the tires of the police vans while the thugs were in the apartments dragging out their victims, they could
easily have overwhelmed Yagoda's forces and forced an end to the mass arrests. But they didn't fight back, and the arrests and liquidations continued. And so, Solzhenitsyn concludes, because of their cowardice and their selfishness the Russians deserved what the communists did to them.

OK sounds a bit dramatic but look at who the people that were taking power were: "the Jews and a tiny minority of Russian criminals, amoral opportunists, and welfare rabble"

Take out the Jews and this sounds a lot like who is trying to take over power here in the US. Albeit with less thuggery and a little less vile methods. The fact remains if we do nothing the criminals, amoral opportunists and welfare rabble (including the politicians who are no better than welfare rabble living off the state) are going to turn us into another Russia in the 30's. And if this happens don't we deserve what we get?

I am not saying go out and ambush anyone but we REALLY need to fight this anyway we can. Call everyone you know, go out and network with anyone you can. Promote the fact that we are the true patriotic Americans not the evil "Assault Weapon" yielding evil doers. We are your neighbors, your friends and even the people you are going to call when the SHTF.

BTW our beloved AR10's are NOT assault rifles depending on how loose you are with the definition.
An assault rifle is a military rifle that utilizes an intermediate-power cartridge(.308/7.62 is not), and that generally is capable of full-automatic fire (AR10's aren't), where multiple rounds are fired continuously when the trigger is pulled one time — that is, a machine gun — or burst capable, where a burst of several rounds is fired when the trigger is pulled one time. In the United States, full-automatic firearms are heavily restricted, and regulated by federal laws such as the National Firearms Act of 1934, as well as some state and local laws.

Sorry about the rant but I get so frustrated at shooting down the same old arguments over and over again. :banghead: :banghead:

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11 years 11 months ago #15496 by jtallen83
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VTIT, Your right it they have been screwing us since 1934, I forgot about the machine guns. I wonder how many times the violent crime rate has risen since then.
You can get 2,000 sq. ft ready to move in at about $80,000, depending on how much ground is there. I know of a larger place that has three acres but needs new windows, insulation, and drywall, $20,000 would get it. I've seen smaller houses go for even less. All the old farmers are selling their ground to the big outfits and moving to town so there is a large glut of country houses on the market and has been for a decade or better now. Big problem is there are not many jobs short of trucking and meat processing.
Sharkey, I guess you understood what I meant but we have strippers as well! :drool: they are even easier to catch than the cats!

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11 years 11 months ago - 11 years 11 months ago #15497 by Sharkey
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All of this input is excellent guys and VTIT, I understand your frustration and JT, yours as well. What we need to do is stick together on this though. Standing up and screaming "I'll fight to the death" just seems foolish at this point. We are FAR from that right now and I firmly believe all of the machismo needs to be set aside for a MUCH more controlled and educated approach for the time being.

Are a lot of us military trained? Yes. Are soldiers banging on our doors right now? Nope.

Am I ready TODAY to jump into a major conflict, not by a damn sight.

I'm 49 years old, out of the shape I would need to be in and I've got a wife and 2 young sons to think about and barricading them all into my home while I aim out the windows seems like just a little less than planning to fail at this point.

Do I NEED to be ready right now? No. A little planning and getting into better shape never hurts though and having a plan in your home is ALWAYS a good idea anyway (in case of intruders) but is ANY amount of "getting your house ready" gonna be enough? Not even close unless you don't mind living in an overstocked fortress. Hell, if any troops actually come to your home and see that you are armed, barricaded and ready, a couple of mortar rounds (a little HE and maybe some willyP to finish up) and poof, conflict over - cheaply and without undue risk to valuable troops and then it's on to the next sucker with a couple more shells ready.

No men, what we need to do right now is:

A. Pray for guidance and the strength and wisdom to REALLY do what needs to be done. Pray for the right words into ears that will listen, eyes that will read, and minds that will see the truth, understand it and vote for what is right when the time comes.

B. Talk to everyone you know - voters or not - in a controlled and educated manner and with facts and common sense discussions of history AND of what you believe to be true. Do NOT be "overly passionate" cuz a bunch of rambling nut-jobs can't sell anything but someone ELSE's products whereas sensible discussions CAN sway people and very well may when it comes from concerned and educated speakers. Telling people to get ready to fight only makes them think "fanatic" and they will stop listening to you right then and there.

C. Go to church, your town meetings and talk calmly and responsibly. Show EVERYONE in your community that not ONLY do you own guns, but you live a christian lifestyle, raise your kids well and take part in your community as a responsible citizen. MAKE them see that you are not sitting out in the hills, gun at the ready praying for more ammo while the rest of the world goes on without you. People are swayed by people they respect and understand to be "like them" and not people they fear. FEAR is what this whole conflict is about and we need to make people feel SAFER, not worried about the nut up the street barricading his windows in camouflage with his face painted while his kids fill sandbags.

There is ALWAYS time for shooting and war and it does NOT take brains to sit in the dark with one finger on the trigger and 10 pots of coffee lined up - or worse, 50 cases of frickin beer.

What DOES take brains is to know when to talk, to write, to petition and to campaign for what you believe and what we all KNOW to be right and to EARN respect and WIN the votes we need to keep our freedom.

The time to be active is now.

There will be plenty of time to be macho later if it all falls apart but for now, we have a totally different kind of fight to win and it requires calm heads, steady, heartfelt and educated words and the fortitude to stay the course. No fight is ever over until it is and this one is still only in the 2nd round right now with 13 left to go. Let's keep our heads and think and do what is required and leave all of the tough talk for IF it is ever needed. God forbid.

And besides, like the man who lost his child told the Subcommittee, it IS more God that is needed and it is easy to see as we all look around - the more they force God out, the less control ANYONE has to stop ANYTHING that is happening in this country.

Let's bring God back into our country, our homes, our lives, keep our guns, and live in OUR country that was born from those EXACT ideals.

God Bless us all.
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11 years 11 months ago #15498 by Siscowet
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As a transplanted Minnesotan I will refrain from Iowa stripper jokes. BIG catfish!

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11 years 11 months ago #15504 by VTIT
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Words to live by Sharkey, :I-agree:
I heard or read a little anecdote:

A man asks another man how could God let this happen to our little children while they are at school?
The second man answers, God had nothing to do with this. They won't allow him in school.

Just keep our calm and use facts and we will prevail. If we don't prevail then we get drastic. I am too damn old to get into a fight.
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11 years 11 months ago #15507 by VTIT
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This may be good info to use when talking to people: (stolen from the internet at gundocdoctrine.com/ )
ARE WE ARE OUR OWN WORST ENEMIES AT TIMES?

As a media or firearm/outdoor industry professionals at times we can be our own worst enemies when it comes to the firearm debate. The words we use can be powerful and even counter- productive to our firearm freedoms and our side of the story.

The term Assault Weapon is a pure anti-gun propaganda term. It was advanced by and for the anti-gun movement in the late 1970s and popularized in the early 1980s. There is NO SUCH THING! It just does not exist. Yet we even see our own industry and media using it in magazines, on television and radio outdoor and shooting shows, in firearm catalogs, at gun shows and in gun and sporting goods stores across the nation.

If you must use the word “assault” then apply it to the correct type of firearm: An assault rifle (not weapon-ever) is a military carbine that is BOTH full-automatic and semi-automatic and fires a mid-power cartridge (something between a sub-machine and high-power rifle round such as the 7.62x39mm or 5.56 NATO round). For example a Springfield Armory M1-A (.308 caliber) is not an assault rifle; it is “just” a semi-automatic (not automatic) rifle!

Every time the word ASSAULT WEAPON(S) is used by those of us in the industry we use the anti-gun and anti-Bill of Rights rhetoric and propaganda term; we give them more ammunition to use against gun owners and our Bill of Rights. The NSSF (SHOT Show Folks) realized this and for military look alike carbines they suggest the term modern sporting rifle, and that works! REGARDLESS, let’s all of us at least NOT use the anti-gun propaganda term “assault weapon.”

The inflammatory term WEAPON is used by far too many of us in and out of the media. We see this emotive but wrong-headed term used in articles, on television firearm and outdoor shows and even in some catalogs and it is routinely used in gun and sporting goods stores. Nothing is a weapon until that particular item (whatever it is) is used in a single specific incident against a human being. For example a purse, baseball bat, golf club or tire iron is just that unless that item is used in a specific instant against a human; then it can be defined as a weapon–generally in a prosecutor’s case.

And then there is the newest media term “gun violence.” We at Shults Media have never seen a gun or any inanimate object commit violence on its own. This too is a pure propaganda term and when we hear or see it used we remind the user that inanimate objects can’t commit violence and they look foolish for its use.

We hope you do not perceive our remarks as political correctness run amok. The use of these terms is as technically inaccurate as referring to a muzzle loading rifle as a machine gun. When we hear or see these words used incorrectly we should inform the person or entity that is using them of the error and why they are fueling the anti-Bill of Rights people. We found in all cases reasonable people and organizations appreciate learning the facts and the clarification.

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