Burris Eliminator 4x12. First impressions.

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10 years 6 months ago - 10 years 6 months ago #41370 by Siscowet
When Burris recently discontinued their first generation 4 x 12 laser range finding scope, I was able to pick one up at an affordable price. I had a time trying to decide which of my rifles to try it on first. I eventually decided on my Colt HBAR 5.56 for a couple of reasons:
1. This scope is HUGE, it would take away from the handiness of one of my carbines.
2. The bullet drop ballistics are based on rifle barrels, and the velocities found by using them,
3. I had recently developed a hand load specifically for this rifle, and wanted to blue print it's ballistic curvature.

First a couple of observations: my shooting that day was a testament on why you should never drink four cups of coffee on an empty stomach and then go to the range. I went at spur of the moment, so the coffee had already been consumed. My groups were, to put it mildly, very disappointing. Also, this rifle made me appreciate how much I have been spoiled lately by Armalite 2 stage triggers. This one will be getting a Geissele when I can afford it.
That said, below is a picture of the rifle with the scope and sun hood on it.


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Told you it was huge!

Per manufacturers instructions I sighted in the scope at 100 yards with my hand loads: 21 gr Reloader 15, CCI small rifle primers, 75 gr Hornady BTHP Match bullets. No FTF or FTE, no signs of overpressure. Thanks Night Force for running that load on Quickload.
Below is my sight in target, I am embarrassed to say.

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After getting zeroed in best I could, I started the process of programming the electonics.
What the eliminator does, is take a laser distance reading that is picked up by the ballistic computer, which then calculates holdover, and one of 39 orange LED's light up indicating your holdover aiming point. You can see this in the reticle picture below:
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Burriss provides a list of the most common manufactured cartridges/bullet designs with the data to program in. As I was shooting hand loads, I had to find the closest approximation, which was Black Hills reloads with a 75 gr hollow point match bullet. As my experience with Black Hills ammo is that it is "lively" I opted for one notch below.
The code for programing is first you put a "1" in, for the distance you zeroed in at, followed in this case by "60" , which is the bullet drop for this cartridge combination at 500 yards, for a programming number of "160". As I thought my reload would be milder, I put in "161". I turned out to be wrong. Below was my first target at 200 yards. Keep in mind I was not compensating for windage.
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I reprogrammed for "160", and below was my second target:
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As you can see, the scope does nothing to compensate for windage, which was blowing from left to right about ten miles per hour. On the Eliminator III, they have windage compensation dots as seen in the reticle picture below.

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Conclusion: The Eliminator, when properly programed for the right cartridge bullet combination, worked out to two hundred yards. My next effort will be to find a 500 yard range to explore it's accuracy limits. Because of its size and weight, 26 ounces, I don't really see a field use for it, except for a situation where you are in a blind shooting at distance targets at varying ranges, like Prairie dog shooting, or maybe stand shooting out west. You aren't going to want to carry it up and down mountains all day. As a training tool, to get better at distance estimation, and better at learning proper holdover for a specific rifle/cartridge combination, I think it will be very useful. I intend to use it that way with all my rifles, to see what the specific needs are for each one. It also already taught me I need to work on my ability to read and compensate for the wind. At the price I got it for, it was worthwhile.
Last edit: 10 years 6 months ago by Siscowet.
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10 years 6 months ago #41371 by Ranchwagon
I can see I really don't compensate for the wind like I should either. Surprised how far off a 10 mph wind at 300 yards is. But then, I am more of a casual shooter, I just kind of guess.

Good review, thanks.

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10 years 6 months ago #41374 by jtallen83
What is the mount like? Looks to be integral to the scope?

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10 years 6 months ago #41378 by Siscowet

jtallen83 wrote: What is the mount like? Looks to be integral to the scope?

The mount is different. It has an integral picatinny rail on the bottom of the scope, and separate clamps that hold that rail, and the picatinny rail on the rifle together. It will also work with a Weaver rail. It doesn't look substantial, but it works.
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10 years 6 months ago #41385 by OleCowboy
The IMI (Israeli) model I had my hands on while I was over there, factored in windage, humidity, temp and was good out to 2000+ yds (classified distance, they said it + 2000 yds). It did everything except factor in for caffeine...I will bring that up to my contact at IWI LOL

Forgot what it weighed by it was HEAVY...

Great report. So how long before you buy the Gen II with windage, you know you got to have it now.

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10 years 6 months ago #41386 by Siscowet
Nope, not until they reduce weight by half. Just too big and heavy to be really usable.

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10 years 6 months ago #41388 by JustMe
What kind of low light resolution does it have compared to something like a Leupold VAR X3?

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10 years 6 months ago #41391 by Siscowet

JustMe wrote: What kind of low light resolution does it have compared to something like a Leupold VAR X3?

Not having a Leopold, I can't tell you, my guess would be not as good. It isn't near as good as my 4x16x40 Nikon Monarch, which is quite good. Optic quality isn't necessarily it's strong point. But to be fair, I haven't messed around with it at dusk or pre dawn yet.

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10 years 6 months ago #41393 by JustMe
Thanks. Great write up on the Eliminator by the way. Low light capability became important to me after one particular hunting trip. I was using a rifle I inherited from my dad that sported a 1960s era Weaver scope. A doe came into the Alabama woods and stood about 75 yards away. I could see it clearly with my naked eyes in the heavily shaded woods about 2 hours before sunset. Just messing around, I pulled the rifle up to look at it through the scope. Couldn't see the deer. Thought it had moved. Nope, still standing in the exact same spot. Pulled it up again, oriented myself with the tree it was standing beside and still couldn't see it. Looked around the scope and it's still standing there. Made me a believer that day in quality optics. Got rid of that scope.

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10 years 6 months ago #41397 by Siscowet

JustMe wrote: Thanks. Great write up on the Eliminator by the way. Low light capability became important to me after one particular hunting trip. I was using a rifle I inherited from my dad that sported a 1960s era Weaver scope. A doe came into the Alabama woods and stood about 75 yards away. I could see it clearly with my naked eyes in the heavily shaded woods about 2 hours before sunset. Just messing around, I pulled the rifle up to look at it through the scope. Couldn't see the deer. Thought it had moved. Nope, still standing in the exact same spot. Pulled it up again, oriented myself with the tree it was standing beside and still couldn't see it. Looked around the scope and it's still standing there. Made me a believer that day in quality optics. Got rid of that scope.

We can thank NSA for a lot of advances in optics. Research in the 60's and 70's, pre digital age, really improved the clarity of lenses and light gathering capability. First use was on spy satellites, eventually a lot of it got declassified and now we benefit.

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