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15 years 2 weeks ago #2757 by mlotziii
New Category? was created by mlotziii
Should we add a new category titled, "Hard Core Ballistics Experiments" for expert level information sharing on loads, projectiles, and expert techniques?

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15 years 2 weeks ago #2758 by BUILDING MY SASS
Replied by BUILDING MY SASS on topic Re:New Category?
Personally I think that would be a great and prudent idea.
Given that we do have some professional level reloaders here. They would have a place to discuss and debate the different "high level" techniques that are out of reach for us noobies and beginners and the average reloaders. Yet we could learn from them as long as we all remember that these are people that are on the "Professional" level of reloading....and have decades of experience and most are instructors and teachers and such....and our input (beginers ect.) should be limited to questions on their discussions
Although if I may make a suggestion on the title....I think maybe "Reloading for the Professionals" or "On the Professional Level" might be more suited, but that is just my two pennies.....hey I am a nooby and a beginner so what do I know.....LOL

BMS

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15 years 2 weeks ago #2764 by Hank in Arkansas
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I have mixed feelings on that one. On another, much larger gun web site, the administrators have had to remove several posts that contained completely irresponsible load recommendations. Thankfully the administrators of that site are watching the postings. Right now the biggest problem with the internet and guns is the amount of BS that gets posted. Every time I post an opinion, I try to make sure I can back it up not only with experience, but also reliable references from my extensive library of handloading and shooting books. If "advanced techniques" are thoroughly vetted, pressure tested and ballistically sound, that's great. If they're based on "I tried it and it seems to work", then that's iffy. I used to think Elmer Keith was the last word in handgun load development, but I also remember that he blew up a bunch of guns (his own admission). And this sight is devoted to the AR10, which is a more difficult gun to load for than a plain vanilla bolt gun.

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15 years 2 weeks ago #2769 by mlotziii
Replied by mlotziii on topic Re:New Category?
Good point I guess the best thing is just to be sure that the topic closely relates to the discussion at hand and that everyone realizes their experience level and skill.

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15 years 1 week ago #2776 by BUILDING MY SASS
Replied by BUILDING MY SASS on topic Re:New Category?
After thinking on this, Hank has made a valid point...not sure but on alot of the "load data" sites, they have a note somewhere as a disclaimer as to "use at own risk". That being said, maybe on the category Title or when you log on to it, it would have something in the same manner....


Categories....AMMO
Factory Ammo,
Reloading,
On The Professional Level...Not for Beginners,
(for discussion only, use data at own risk)
Alternate Calibers,


Or something like that... :unsure:
BMS

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15 years 1 week ago #2826 by crux
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I'd like to see a category more inclusive of the various muzzle accessories. I see we have one for suppressors and that's good, but what about "Muzzle Devices" or attachments or some such. Was looking for a good spot to start a thread about compensators but didn't spot a good topic besides barrels.

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15 years 1 week ago - 15 years 1 week ago #2833 by DMCI*
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Well, I am so brilliant I broke my Dillon 650. I left primers in the primer feed and they corroded and caused the press to sieze up and this resulted in the cam breaking and loss on dissassembly of the paul and paul spring.

With over 30 years of experience in reloading, I consider myself anything but a professional although while I haven't made any money with my hobby, I probably have shot more by 10 times than I would have otherwise and saved myself thousands of dollars over the retail price of ammo.

The main thing for you so called "NEWBIES" is developing the will and a little cash and physically going down to the local sporting goods guy and buying a RCBS Rockchucker reloading kit. Then setting up a reloading bench with book shelves in the back of it for components and other stuff and cracking the reloading manual. Instructions are laid out in great detail with step by step proceedures in detail.

My feeling what is needed here is not a "professional level" area, but a "There are no dumb questions!" category where the newbies can ask questions about reloading. I sometimes think that shooting is just a way of unloading cases so you can reload them again.


Q. How safe is hand-loading?
A. In a word, very. Because today's smokeless gun powders are a lot different than the old black powders of our ancestors. In fact, modern smokeless powders are classified as propellants, not explosives, meaning when properly used these powders only burn when ignited. So, while common sense and certain precautions should not be ignored, hand-loading is by no means a high risk hobby. Always remember to wear safety glasses while shooting and hand-loading.

RCBS: Getting Started

From the RCBS Web Site: These guys have it together in my view. A little more expensive than the cheapest, but quality economic equipment for the Novice.




Q. How good is hand-loading ammo?
A. The truth is, carefully hand-loaded ammunition is usually better than factory loaded, because it can be fine-tuned to fit a specific gun and a certain type of shooting. The result is far greater accuracy.



Q. How complicated is hand-loading?
A. It's simple. There are only four components to a rifle or pistol cartridge: the primer, the powder, the bullet and the brass case. When a cartridge is fired, the primer ignites the powder, the powder then propels the bullet out of the barrel. All that's left is the brass case and the spent primer. And this is where the hand-loading comes in. The brass can be reloaded over and over. All you do is push out the fired primer, resize the brass case, insert a new primer, add the right amount of powder and seat a new bullet on the case. That's hand-loading in very simplified terms. More details are on the following pages.



Q. How much money does hand-loading save?
A. A lot. Take .30-06 factory ammo for instance. At today's prices, they cost about $.90 each. Of that, the primer, powder and bullet account for about $.38. So about $.52 of every factory round is chalked up to the brass case plus the expense of loading it. Since you will be using the case over again, you save nearly 60% over factory ammo or about $10.60 per box of 20! That's why hand-loaders generally make better shooters, because they can afford to practice more.



Q. How much equipment does it take?
A. Surprisingly little. Many non-re-loaders think it takes several hundred dollars to get into hand-loading properly, but the truth is you can get all the equipment you need to start out with for less than $200.00. If you do much shooting at all, this amount can be saved in your first year alone.
Q. What is the difference between a roll crimp and a taper crimp?

A. With a roll crimp the seater die actually rolls a very small portion of the case mouth into the bullet cannelure. If the seater die is set too low or the bullet does not have a cannelure, the die will attempt to form the crimp. However, it may turn too much of the case mouth in, or eliminate space to roll the neck into, which will distort or crush the case. The taper crimp die actually squeezes the case around the bullet. There should not be any indentation or other indication of a visible crimp. The die merely removes the bell from the case mouth that was used to ease seating of the bullet and pushes the case mouth parallel to the bullet. Anymore than that and the die begins to push down on the case wall and causes a bulge, preventing it from chambering.


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15 years 1 week ago #2834 by a Guest
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Thats called a cluttered mind, you get doing something with the intent of going back and storing everything and you forget to or put it off. My favorite thing is not keeping an eye on the primers in the tray and loading a few without them and get a powder dump after I pull the case out of the shell holder in the empty slot. Then its get the air hose blow it out and start at step one. These auto presses are great as long as we follow suit and don't override the mechanical dummy. The dumbest one that I ever seen was a guy loaded a muzzle smoker with H380 and was snapping caps on it. It didn't fire and he was lucky. MSH

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15 years 1 week ago - 15 years 1 week ago #2835 by silver78
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More of a general thought on categories. This site is still fairly small and thus has a limited amount of traffic when compared to a lot of other sites I visit. This is OK as this site is fairly specific in focus - basically 308 caliber AR platform rifles. So in general, the smaller the site, the fewer categories seems like a good policy. Otherwise, not enough traffic on any one section/category.
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