Determining Maximum Overall Cartridge Length

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10 years 7 months ago #37146 by NightForce
I made up a little system that works well for me and I've been using it for years....

My system consists of the following:

1. An appropriate length cleaning rod
2. A brass jag with a flat tip
3. Washers (2) that are the same thickness that slide over the rod and can be fixed in position using nylon tipped set screws..

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Remember - Every bullet style will result in a different over all cartridge length. When developing a load for a particular rifle your initial measurements must be used using this tip to determine the chambers Maximum Overall Cartridge Length. The tip of each bullet is not the same therefore if you're measuring the cartridge overall length it will be different with each cartridge and you'll be chasing your tail trying to figure out what's wrong. The Ogive on the other had is pretty consistent within a given lot of tips therefore can be used as a repeatable datum with adjusting the seating die.

Maximum Overall Cartridge Length = Distance from the bolt face closed to the tip of the bullet just touching the rifles lands.

Instructions:

1. Slide the first washer on the cleaning rod.
2. Screw the brass jag into the cleaning rod tip
3. Slide the cleaning rod assembly into the muzzle end of the barrel until it comes in contact with the bolt face
4. Slide the washer against the muzzle and tighten the set screw
5. Remove the cleaning rod assembly and add the second washer
6. Remove the bolt
7. Insert the bullet tip into the chamber until it touches the lands.
8. Hold the bullet against the lands with a wooden dowel so it won't move
9. Slide the cleaning rod assembly into the barrel until it comes in contact with the bullet tip.
10. Slide the second washer up against the muzzle and tighten its set screw.
11. With a vernier, measure the distance from the outside of each washer
12. Subtract one washer thickness...

Result = Maximum Overall Cartridge Length

Generally speaking, I like to have about 0.010" gap between the Ogive and the lands. This allows "some" bullet movement so that chamber pressure drops as soon as the cartridge is fired. "Jamming" the Ogive into the lands can cause a dangerous pressure spike if you're working with a maximum load.

Using the bullet above, adjust your seating die until the tip of "this" bullet in a loaded case equals the determined cartridge maximum length minus 0.010. The relative distance from the head of the cartridge to the bullets Ogive should remain constant within 0.002, all else being equal....

In general, the Maximum Overall Cartridge Length will exceed the magazines allowable length and will need to be loaded individually.
The following user(s) said Thank You: MrMarty51, jtallen83, Siscowet, Libertarian623

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #37147 by LebbenB
Good to know. I imagine this system gives more consistent results with a bolt gun than with a mag fed semi-auto.
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10 years 7 months ago #37148 by Libertarian623
Great post, a accurate cheap way to measure COAL. On my way to the shop to measure mine. Thanks Nightforce.

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10 years 7 months ago #37149 by MrMarty51
That is a very good how to. I like it.
I have three .308 rifles, they are, all three, removable magazine fed, two are semi auto, one is a Ishapore bolt rifle.
I checked the COAL in an AR10 magazine, using a factory MIL. SPEC. cartridge and also with one of My reloads, not a lot of room to wiggle in there. :busted:
BUT, I do have several bolt fed box magazine rifles and I will definetely be using this method on those.
Matter of fact, I have five or six boxes of reloads for the Remington 700, 30-06 that I will check, or, I could say "Double Check" to mnake sure that the booolits is not to close to the riflings. I used a dummy round when I was ready to load up for this rifle and also for two .243s that I have.
Thank You for this most quick and easy way of checking for COAL.

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10 years 7 months ago #37153 by NightForce
After spending quite a few hard earned dollars on everyone else's design, and being somewhat dissatisfied, I decided to come up with my own. Once I determined the two what I really need to measure the picture became very clear...AND simple!

Thanks guys, my pleasure!

LebbenB wrote: Good to know. I imagine this system gives more consistent results with a bolt gun than with a mag fed semi-auto.


Yes, I agree with you.

Initially I used this on all my bolt guns. Knowing that I would determine the finished COAL, I used this in conjunction with my Redding Competition Seating dies to really fine-tune my most accurate cartridges.

While the AR platform utilizes a box magazine, I was curious to determine just how much farther out the tips had to be seated in order to be .010 off the lands. In each case, in order to achieve this dimension, the COAL exceeds the magazine length so these round need to be loaded individually...

I'm curious to see the difference in accuracy from loads I develop for both single feed and magazine feed.....it will be a good test..

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10 years 7 months ago #37158 by Akai
Great idea :clap: I'm still learning something new everyday :nicethread:

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10 years 7 months ago #37163 by Siscowet
Good info Night Force. Thanks for sharing.

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