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12 years 15 hours ago - 12 years 15 hours ago #14571 by jtallen83
Replied by jtallen83 on topic Gun Control
:I-agree:
The anti-gun crowd will not stop till only the statist's and the rich have weapons. If you read the men who wrote constitution they make it clear that the purpose of the 2nd amendment was for the American citizenry to be armed with military grade weapons to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. That is just a fact!
This incremental gun grab they have been using for 50 years now has been nothing but a failure for society. We are a far more violent society today than when you could purchase full auto weapons. If the number of rounds in the magazine is such a critical factor for them what is to stop them from taking our Aimpoints and Eotechs? These CQB sights have increased the effectiveness of weapons as much or more than any other advances in recent time. I just don't think this is a technology issue. It is a societal issue. I would be willing to give up my AR if they try a ban on violence in media first, give that 10 years and see if we get any measurable results, bet I get to keep my AR! I'm not a fan of the "bargains" the NRA has agreed to but the statement they made today did seem to focus on the problem.
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12 years 13 hours ago #14578 by JSteinhoff
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Today's NRA response,

Armed security at schools...bad guy with gun meets good guy with gun!

I cannot think of one good reason why this should not be a top priority!

The passive approach of hide and wait for police response is a failure. Our children remain
at threat because police response will usually be too slow, regardless of their best effort.

Active shooters must be IMMEDIATELY confronted to prevent these murders.

Retired police, military veterans, other trained professionals....?


This is a proposal that is gaining ground, is proactive, and will save lives.
Funding is another matter, but what could be more important than protecting our children?

Thoughts anyone?

JS

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12 years 12 hours ago #14580 by Sharkey
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Absolutely.

1st though, the money WILL be an issue which will have to be overcome.

One thing that has been done in my area, and in fact my father who has been a fire chief for almost 50 years, put pressure on the town AND the local police, right after the Columbine incident, to increase police activity AND emergency egress into the schools in case of emergency.

Although a full time police presence at the schools continues to be an issue due to funding, actual response times and reactionary measures have been put in place that have greatly sped up what would normally be a "standoff and wait" response to more of a "get in there and DO something" kind of response and it has certainly shown promise.

After the recent incident, my father is hoping that funding issues will ease a bit and the project will progress to a more "proactive" presence than a "reactive" response but at least it is already in the works with programs and plans in place for when the money is.

When dealing with individuals who are bent on destruction, no matter WHAT they are packing, they need to be met with force and not phone calls and bleeding hearts and the only way to accomplish this is through training, practice, and presence.

Taxes be damned. I say yes...

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12 years 11 hours ago #14581 by 13fcolt
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I concur.
Israel did this with great success, on the community level. Parents organized small groups that would take a day off to ride the buses and stay at the schools, patrolling the grounds and making it known that this place is defended. In this, we have an existing model to use as an example. Also consider these moms and dads were not just defending children from a lone nut case, but from organized raids, RPG attacks, and bombings.

Current regulations make easy targets out of our most precious innocents. Action is called for to remove the concept of "easy target" from the minds of those looking for one. Even if the pay is crap, I would do this job. I would volunteer time to do it for free.

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12 years 10 hours ago #14588 by JSteinhoff
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Sharkey, 13fcolt,

Spot on guys, both of you. I won't get into police active shooter training and strategy, an open site would not be an
appropriate site to reveal such information. Columbine forced an entire change in police response nationally, and continues to evolve and adapt to new threats.

This just might get traction with the President and Congress, by the fact that it is proactive. Law enforcement nationwide
understands this concept all too well, and should embrace it at all levels, Federal, State and Local. Funding may be the key
sticky issue.....!

However, if this is proposed and moves forward, I have to believe it will be very difficult, from either side in Washington,
to deny funding for the protection of our most sacred obligation, to protect the lives of our children.

The NRA may have provided just the right answer, at just the right time.

I may yet be coming out of retirement...

JS

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12 years 10 hours ago #14589 by jtallen83
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Lets be real careful what type of power we agree to give the federal government. I agree wholeheartedly that a trained defender is an obvious answer I just have reservations about the federal government being capable of handling it. I think it would be a much more effective and constitutional option if the states would take the lead. I would hate to end up with a national police force out of this tragedy. America led the world in education, before there was a federal dept of education, they seem to have the Midas touch only instead of gold everything they touch turns to crap! Lets not give them another excuse to grab more power and turn more gold to crap.
just my libertarian :twocents:

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12 years 9 hours ago #14590 by 13fcolt
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I was going to go one more and suggest it be run at county level. That could prevent smaller districts from having to deal with it being forced on them If it is not needed, or request subsidies if it is. I would rather it stay as far from federal as possible, but I must accept the fact that the money has to come from somewhere. The other benefit to keeping it local, there is less chance that the position would be filled by a bench warmer looking to promote out and more likely a person that knows the community or even has children of there own. As I said before, as a parent, I want this. At the least I want to know I can trust the person doing it.

One thing I don't want it to become is like college campus cops, but that is a whole different topic.

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12 years 9 hours ago #14591 by Sharkey
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I'm afraid "county" level may be too low to provide adequate training and also agree the fed should NOT be involved. Perhaps with initial funding assistance (if there's any damn money) but at least if it is on the state level, training facilities and practices would have better funding, more standardization and could provide for better trained and higher quality personnel behind the sights.

County level could DEvolve into some fat assed waiting for retirement mook falling asleep in the corner somewhere whereas a statewide initiative, if done properly, could provide for a better and more stable platform across the board.

My sons are only 7 and 9 so I have a big stake in this issue myself.

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12 years 9 hours ago #14592 by 13fcolt
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I will defer to your experience on the subject. I naturally want to keep it closer to home to make it more accessible to those the want the job because the really want it. That's the way I think about it anyway. I got 10,12,& 13 and if they had it their way, they would be allowed to carry.

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12 years 9 hours ago - 12 years 9 hours ago #14594 by Sharkey
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Yea. No... No kids with guns buddy. We didn't do it, they don't need to. I've been REQUIRED to carry 24/7 before and I never liked it. We don't need kids doing it because they can. I still have permits but almost never use em. Dunno why. Just seems that no one really bugs me out in the open nowadays. Could be my face... :)

I know you weren't recommending it, I just needed to throw that in.

When it comes to the State level, I DO believe that the person in the school SHOULD be from the area OF the school but trained, certified and hired by the state which could provide for a better and like I said, more standardized training regimen.

Just my thoughts on it anyway...
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