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13 years 7 months ago #7233 by DarkHelmet
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LebbenB wrote:


As for the rifle, what features are "must have?" At a minimum figure out what you want the gun to do, what barrel length best supports that task and what type of you prefer. Another key consideration is barrel material. If long barrel life is a priority or the gun is going to be driven hard, then I would recommend a barrel with a chrome lining. If this is going to be a bench/competition gun with a low round count, then I would go with a SS bull barrel.


LebbenB nails it... determine purpose (hunting? aereating paper?), operating environment (in the hills? long range zombie patrol?) and does one vendor's packaging of barrel/trigger quality and butt stock, grip, etc sway you/seem to be the best value (value not being what's cheapest).

This is my first rifle of significant caliber so I studied everything in the price range and settled for the intangibles that Armalite offers as mentioned in earlier posts. The AR10T CBNF has a NM trigger, SS triple lapped 16" barrel and its LIGHT!

What I did not accurately plan for were optics: EOTech holo (the Infidel model), a Burris tripler (definition of value), the bag (Galoti, unfolds into a mat but very little storage, not happy, I did not research bags as I should have), then its on to sling, swivels, rails, a tri-pod, of course I need a LaRue fold away mount for the Burris. And a flash device is not enough, I need a compensator JUST LIKE I SAW ON THE MILITARY CHANNEL... well, you get my drift.

But I LOVE the way this thing shoots!!! Yesterday was first trip to the range (had to wait for all that mandatory crap to show up, didn't I?) and you can watch how the holes walk across the target as I am adjusting the holo. I have groupings that made me giggle.

Which of course scared away all the manly men at the range.

or maybe it was the helmet...

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13 years 7 months ago #7234 by LebbenB
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JohnnyDawg1 wrote: I may have made a typo. I meet that I am planning on spending 2k on the ar10NM and around 1k on the scope and scope mount. Has anyone shot or own the ar10NM from armalite? It has many features which appeal to me for the price. But I dont want to pull the trigger until I hear good things about armalite and the rifle. I have never shoot an armalite so and just want to make sure the quality is great.

If your budget for the rifle alone is $2k, then I'd still look HARD at the Armalite NM or their SuperSASS. But for a little more than 2K, I'd also look at the LMT MWS and the LaRue PredatAR, which is based on their highly successful OBR. Shooting both the LMT and the LaRue was what pushed me to buying a 7.62 AR.

The NM rifle you are interested in is a very good rifle indeed. But know this - Armalite made some changes to the geometry of the receiver (IOT increase reliability) and uses a proprietary barrel nut and magazine. At the Armalite site, they have a link to their technical notes library. I would recommend perusing it in order to gain a better understanding of Armalite's products. On the surface, it tends to limit the use of after-market parts and mags. Midwest Industries, Daniel Defense, and Noveske are but three of the after-market companies that make Armalite specific components. That said, Armalite itself markets a full line of accesories built to the same high standards as it's complete rifles. In my experience, Armalite doesn't sell junk. While I haven't had any issues with my rifle, I have called Armalite a time or two on a couple of tech questions I had. I've always been treated nicely and when the CS rep realized he couldn't answer my question, I was quickly referred to someone who could.

What I did not accurately plan for were optics: EOTech holo (the Infidel model), a Burris tripler (definition of value), the bag (Galoti, unfolds into a mat but very little storage, not happy, I did not research bags as I should have), then its on to sling, swivels, rails, a tri-pod, of course I need a LaRue fold away mount for the Burris. And a flash device is not enough, I need a compensator JUST LIKE I SAW ON THE MILITARY CHANNEL... well, you get my drift.

An HWS w/a 3x magnifier on an FTS mount is a good set up for a 5.56 carbine. IMO, you'd be better served with a low to mid power variable, say 1-4x or the traditional 3-9x. Food for thought when you get tired of your current set-up. Comps are effective, but they tend to make you an unpopular person on the firing line of your range. Just sayin'...

...objects in it are blurry on high magnification at 600+ yards.

What sort of scope are you running? Most scopes, regardless of price point, come with a focus adjustment ring on the eyepiece. Without knowing the particulars of the scope, that's the first thing I'd check.

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13 years 7 months ago #7238 by xgcakasha
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I have a cheap scope I bought off of ebay. I have tried adjusting the focus ring on it but on higher magnification settings, it is still blurry no matter where you set it. The scope is a U.A.G. 8-32x50. It works just fine until you get up into the higher magnification settings and at 600+ yards. I am going to get a Leupold Mark 4 eventually, but for now this one will do. Just makes it tough to see the faces of the zombies I am aiming at when they are far away,but I can still hit them between the eyes where it counts....

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13 years 7 months ago #7244 by LebbenB
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If no amount of focus adjustment, either at the eyepiece or AO, will bring the target into sharp relief at higher magnifications then I would say it sounds like the lenses in the scope aren't in proper alignment. The more you crank up the mag, the worse this misalignment shows itself. This is pretty common with inexpensive scopes and it also promotes eye fatigue as your Mk1 eyeball strains to compensate.

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13 years 7 months ago #7246 by xgcakasha
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see how the are????!!! :dry: trying to fatigue me poor little eyes.... :pinch: i knew it was all a conspiracy to get me to buy that leupold scope sooner...

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13 years 7 months ago #7268 by LebbenB
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Become a member of Sniper's Hide and check out the "Optics for sale" Forum. You can find some pretty good deals on occasion. Buying that Loopy might be cheaper than you think;). Also check Midway USA, they normally have some pretty good scopes on special. I picked up a Weaver 3-10x for $305, shipped. I usually turn up my nose at $300 scopes, but this one's pretty good; I'm fairly impressed with the level of clarity and quality of the build.

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13 years 7 months ago #7270 by 62flint
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I have a armalite ar-10 national match. It shoots .5moa from a bench with federal gold medal match ammo.
I would buy another armalite.

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13 years 7 months ago - 13 years 7 months ago #7274 by larryg
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JohnnyDawg1 wrote: Hey, I am new to this forum and am thinking of getting a ar10 very soon. I plan on not wanting to buy cheap and want great quality and craftsmanship. I own many other guns and know from experience that cheap is only good for your bank account. I was hoping someone could sell me on a great rifle manufacturer and model that would serve many year of use. Would like to not spend more than $2000 on basic rifle plus optics and accessories. I have been looking at the armalite ar10 national match but have not heard anything about it. Advise please, and remember I am really wanting quality.


Well, to be the bad guy here, if you are looking at to get an AR10, there is only one company that makes the AR10.
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13 years 7 months ago #7295 by xgcakasha
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@ larryg - hey you do have a point about there only being one company that makes the ar10.... and @ lebbenb i will check out that site to see if i can get loopy for less $$$.

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13 years 7 months ago #7298 by Uncle ArmaLite
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Folks,here's a new review about our M-15 National Match. It's very much like its bigger brother the AR-10NM. This is part 2 of the review. Part 1 is an embedded link in the first few sentences.
ArmaLite M-15 National Match
Hope it helps.
Uncle ArmaLite

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