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15 years 4 months ago #7671 by JSteinhoff
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Crux,

Your historical and philosophical reference to 18th century america is
incomplete. The conditions of that period no longer exsist. Without context, there is no meaning to your statement, only conjecture!

JS

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15 years 4 months ago #7680 by crux
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Well certainly one can't provide a completely sourced documented dissertation on the philosophical foundations of American independence and the revolutionary war in a forum. If falling short of that is "conjecture" I suppose nothing I can offer will be satisfactory.

But in terms of "conditions of that period no longer exist", would you suggest then that if a contemporary international government rejects it's constitution without consent of the governed, and applies force to suppress the lawful attempts to recover their prior code of laws, that the peoples of such a nation would have no right to use force to recover them when no peaceful option remained open? It happened more than once last century, and there's more than a few gangster governments crushing their people today.

I find the concept of a government usurping it's constitutional restrictions and violating the rights of it's people, especially through application of force, indistinguishable from the anarchy and treason decried earlier.

The way I see it in a free society requires a limited government that must remain within the powers delegated to it by the people, and if it refuses to remain in those limits and deprives the people of their means to redress and recover the limits they place upon it, it's not a free society but a tyranny, and I see no reason humans should feel compelled to submit themselves to domination by kings, cartels, cults, crooks, or collectives. That's the way I read it in the writings of the founders and the research they conducted in framing the republic, the teaching of my elders and mentors, and see it in my own view. Folks are free to disagree.

I don't want to bicker mate so I'll leave my thoughts at that. Peace out.

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15 years 4 months ago #7681 by JSteinhoff
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Crux


"The best way to see Faith is to shut the eye of Reason."
Benjamin Franklin - January 17, 1706 – April 17, 1790 -one of the Founding
Fathers of the United States


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15 years 4 months ago #7691 by crux
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JSteinhoff wrote: Crux


"The best way to see Faith is to shut the eye of Reason."
Benjamin Franklin - January 17, 1706 – April 17, 1790 -one of the Founding
Fathers of the United States


JS


Wow, now that's just not polite. You're too intelligent for that to be anything other than a slight, and calling(even by implication) a well reasoned, researched, and philosophically sound position, however disagreeable to you, comparable with the argument of one who has "shut the eye of Reason" is beyond rationality, it's just petty. One should not turn to the internet to find high-mindedness and respectful discourse I suppose, nevertheless I am disappointed.

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15 years 4 months ago #7693 by JSteinhoff
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Crux,

Please allow me a moment to rephrase my intentions. Astrophysicist's currently estimate there are an estimated 200 million planets within our own milkey way galaxy, which may be in an orbit that could support some form of
life. As Sir Anthony Hopkins stated in a recent PBS interview, "the older I
become, I am more convinced that mankind knows nothing in relation to ouselves
and the universe". I often feel this way myself.

The Quote was intended to remind us all to keep an open mind. However, in retrospect I agree it sounds like a slight. Please accept my apology, I've enjoyed our discussions.

JS

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15 years 4 months ago #7699 by JSteinhoff
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It has been said that Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.



Winston Churchill (1874-1965) British politician.

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15 years 4 months ago #7750 by BUILDING MY SASS
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Love the Tennis Match...going on here....very Intellectual...so I won't even try to jump in...but

Remember...."Play Nice"...not that you haven't been... ;)
BMS

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15 years 4 months ago #7754 by JSteinhoff
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Roger that!

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15 years 4 months ago #7763 by JSteinhoff
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SASS,

Or maybe this...

“Gentlemen. You can’t fight in here. This is the War Room!”

The infamous quote from Peter Sellers as US president Merkin Muffley
in the brilliant 1964 Kubrick satire, Dr. Strangelove or: How I learned
to stop worrying and Love the Bomb.



JS

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15 years 4 months ago #7846 by BUILDING MY SASS
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I know I posted this somewhere on the forum....but I will do it again...
BMS

Ted Nugent....Gun Control....

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