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10 years 6 months ago #39623 by OleCowboy
Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.
The overwhelming evidence points to the signal largest common factor in all of these incidents is the fact that all of the perpetrators were either actively taking powerful psychotropic drugs or had been at some point in the immediate past before they committed their crimes.
Multiple credible scientific studies going back more than a decade, as well as internal documents from certain pharmaceutical companies that suppressed the information show that SSRI drugs ( Selective Serotonin Re-Uptake Inhibitors ) have well known, but unreported side effects, including but not limited to suicide and other violent behavior. One need only Google relevant key words or phrases to see for themselves. www.ssristories.com is one popular site that has documented over 4500 “ Mainstream Media “ reported cases from around the World of aberrant or violent behavior by those taking these powerful drugs.
The following list of mass shooting perpetrators and the drugs they were taking or had been taking shortly before their horrific actions was compiled and published to Facebook by John Noveske, founder and owner of Noveske Rifleworks just days before he was mysteriously killed in a single car accident. Is there a link between Noveske’s death and his “outting” of information numerous disparate parties would prefer to suppress, for a variety of reasons ?
I leave that to the individual readers to decide. But there is most certainly a documented history of people who “knew to much” or were considered a “threat” dying under extraordinarily suspicious circumstances.
From Katherine Smith, a Tennessee DMV worker who was somehow involved with several 9/11 hijackers obtaining Tennessee Drivers Licenses, and was later found burned to death in her car, to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Gary Webb, who exposed a CIA Operation in the 80′s that resulted in the flooding of LA Streets with crack cocaine and was later found dead from two gunshot wounds to the head, but was officially ruled as a “suicide“, to Frank Olson, a senior research micro biologist who was working on the CIA’s mind control research program MKULTRA.
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After Olson expressed his desire to leave the program, he was with a CIA agent in a New York hotel room, and is alleged to have committed “suicide” by throwing himself off the tenth floor balcony. In 1994, Olson’s sons were successful in their efforts to have their fathers body exhumed and re examined in a second autopsy by James Starrs, Professor of Law and Forensic science at the National Law Center at George Washington University. Starr’s team concluded that the blunt force trauma to the head and injury to the chest had not occurred during the fall but most likely in the room before the fall. The evidence was called “rankly and starkly suggestive of homicide.” Based on his findings, in 1996 the Manhattan District Attorney opened a homicide investigation into Olson’s death, but was unable to find enough evidence to bring charges.
As I said, I leave it to the individual readers to make up their own minds if Noveske suffered a similar fate. On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.
Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.
Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.
Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.
Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.
Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.
Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.
A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..
A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.
TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.
Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.
Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania
Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California
Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.
Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.
Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.
Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.
Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.
Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.
Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.
Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)
Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)
Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.
Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.
Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.
Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.
A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.
Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”
Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.
Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.
Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.
Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….
What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Those focusing on further firearms bans or magazine restrictions are clearly focusing on the wrong issue and asking the wrong questions, either as a deliberate attempt to hide these links, or out of complete and utter ignorance.
Don’t let them! Force our elected “representatives” and the media to cast a harsh spotlight on this issue. Don’t stop hounding them until they do.
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10 years 6 months ago #39626 by NightForce
There are a host of factors that come into play these days and medications are just one of them. Our culture has evolved immensely since I was a boy back in the 50's and early 60's. While there was crime, it was localized in pockets and not wide spread.

I grew up on a farm in a farming community of middle class working folks. Our town was decent size, about 50 square miles. Everyone worked to earn a living and no one locked their doors or cars. People were friendly and respectful back then and while we didn't go around hugging one another we stopped to help someone in trouble or in need. We had party phone lines back then and my sister and I loved to listen in on others conversations...

In grade school boys always brought toy guns to show & tell day right after Christmas. Each morning the class said a prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance. There was an occasional fight between boys but nothing major. Most of the boys carried pocket knives and no one stabbed one another.

Violence was predominately in the inner city. We didn't hear much about it as it was far from life in the country. Break ins or burglaries were nonexistent because if someone was foolish enough to break into your home he'd be shot...period..

During the 60's things began to change. The Vietnam war and the protesters took center stage. In my eyes, violence seemed to erupt everywhere. The assassination of both John and Robert Kennedy placed the country in tremendous turmoil. The "Civil Rights" movement was taking hold and it seemed everyone had rights except the working folks who payed the taxes.

The 70's and 80's led to the demise of decent blue collar jobs. The NAFTA trade agreement allowed big business to pick up and move to China, Mexico, Malaysia,The Philippines etc. As good jobs began to evaporate so did corresponding salary needed to support the standard of living in the US. As the lack of jobs began to grow so did crime.

The US has also been inundated with illegal immigrants. America has specific laws and guidelines to naturalize immigrants migrating to the us. For some reason the government cast a blind eye to the illegal entry of nearly 35 million people and now protect them. A country cannot sustain nor support this influx and with this many illegals comes a mountain of crime.

Without decent paying jobs there is unemployment. Unemployment itself spawns crime due to many resorting to illegal activities in order to support themselves.

Life today is no longer simple. Drugs and crime have taken over. Our culture has evolved into a socialist state where the government wants to determine what you should and shouldn't have. Our rights and liberties are disappearing each and every day under the guise of equality and safety.

Once upon a time our government was to represent the will of the people. Today lawyers run for public office to become a member of the club. They take on oath to defend and uphold the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. As soon as they're sworn in they join others in an effort to tear the documents this country was founded on to shreds.

Gods not allowed but Gays are
Blacks are not raciest but Whites are

Racism in American is a 1-way street. Blacks continue to bitch yet they have a 2 term black President, Attorney general, many members of the Senate, Hose and Congress are black, and over 30% of all government employees are black.

Daily, politicians are arrested and charged with unspeakable crimes. Presidents are impeached and others should be. The entire system has fallen on its ass because of greed and corruption.

You can't discipline your child today. Try giving your son or daughter a swat across the ass. Someone is sure to see it and report you. Before you know it a SWAT Team will roll up in the MRAP and a dozen men wearing battle gear with fully automatic weapons break down your door and place you in handcuffs.

1st graders are charged with sexual assault for kissing the girl next to them. A 6 year old is expelled for eating a Pop Tart into a shape of what some teacher determines is a gun.

Police department across this nation are becoming militarized and heavily armed thanks to the Department of Homeland Defense and the US Patriot Act.

All of this filters down to the youths of this once great nation. They witness the an out of control culture and if not parented properly become part of the violence and not part of the solution. Their mind can't handle the stress of this environment some of them become killers as they no longer fit in to this society...

All this has taken place over time but the last 15 years or so has seen an exponential rise in violence from coast to coast.....of course this is my opinion, something I'm an expert on..

Stepping down again... :soapbox:
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10 years 6 months ago - 10 years 6 months ago #39628 by OleCowboy
WOW, read that and had to pinch myself several times, kept thinking I wrote it...Good write :twothumbs:
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10 years 6 months ago - 10 years 6 months ago #39629 by Siscowet
things are never simple. :
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10 years 6 months ago #39632 by NightForce

OleCowboy wrote: WOW, read that and had to pinch myself several times, kept thinking I wrote it...Good write :twothumbs:


When I read yours Cowboy I've thought the same thing...fine minds think alike... :thumbs:

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10 years 6 months ago #39635 by Libertarian623
Cowboy and Nightforce good points. I am not sure of the SSRI connection, although it does identify that group beyond any doubt, and just adds credence to the NRA's call for limiting firearms purchase from this segment of the population. I hate to limit anyone's rights but with glaring stats like that it is a little easier.

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10 years 6 months ago #39636 by jtallen83
Lets not use limits but use liberty. Make it easier for citizens to be armed and less of a hassle to shoot the bad guy and you'll see a new trend develop, politeness :twocents: !
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10 years 6 months ago #39637 by et1911rph
I am a pharmacist and have seen anti-depressants help numerous patients over the years but more data is mounting that the use of these drugs may be little better than placebo in mild to moderate depression.

Another key issue is that drug trials are done on adults not children. There are differences in how the young and the very old metabolize drugs. Add to this the fact that individuals under 24 years of age in in varying stages of hormone surge due to puberty.

Testosterone surge in males and estrogen surge in females cause mood swings and feelings of "my parents are stupid". Sadly, the 60's generation believes in better living through chemistry and their children (now adults with children) demand behavior modification through drugs.

There is a role for anti-depressants but they are potent drugs and if prescribed without a complete depression mgt program it is not surprising that we see the range of incidents you cite.
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10 years 6 months ago #39645 by Siscowet

et1911rph wrote: I am a pharmacist and have seen anti-depressants help numerous patients over the years but more data is mounting that the use of these drugs may be little better than placebo in mild to moderate depression.

Another key issue is that drug trials are done on adults not children. There are differences in how the young and the very old metabolize drugs. Add to this the fact that individuals under 24 years of age in in varying stages of hormone surge due to puberty.

Testosterone surge in males and estrogen surge in females cause mood swings and feelings of "my parents are stupid". Sadly, the 60's generation believes in better living through chemistry and their children (now adults with children) demand behavior modification through drugs.

There is a role for anti-depressants but they are potent drugs and if prescribed without a complete depression mgt program it is not surprising that we see the range of incidents you cite.

A well thought out comment.

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10 years 6 months ago #39658 by OleCowboy

jtallen83 wrote: Lets not use limits but use liberty. Make it easier for citizens to be armed and less of a hassle to shoot the bad guy and you'll see a new trend develop, politeness :twocents: !

Capital idea:
Using that line of thinking, then it would work to our advantage give them a gun. In fact open it up, free Sat nite special with the purchase of any 40 on bottle of malt liquor, case of beer or bottle of cheap wine and booze. Then sell all liquor for half price on payday friday.

Wine by the pint should come with a razor blade taped to the side.

Then sell all liquor for half price on payday friday.


At the end of a short time my guess is there will be only one guy left standing I will him :thumbs:

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