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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #37595 by JustMe
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Forgot to mention the D-740 has an Army MilDot reticle which I use mostly for shots closer than 50 yds. It is very helpful for those 20 to 40 yd shots. At 200 yds, the 7.62 shoots flat enough that I still use the main crosshair. I zeroed my D-740 at 60 yds (180 yds) which makes the main crosshair usable from 50-250 yds. The first mildot down is 30-40 yds or 322 yds and the 2nd mildot is 20 yds or 427 yds with my ammo. At 250 yds, the error is 0.5 mil (or 4.3 inches) and at 200 yds it is 0.1 mils (or 0.9 inches) which is within my tolerances. That's why I don't attempt head shots past 200 yds with my setup.
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10 years 7 months ago #37597 by Siscowet
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Just Me, thanks for the info. Like Foxhunter I am just starting out on hog hunting. A friend and I are setting one up in North Carolina for next winter. I was thinking of an Armasight Orion Gen 1 + based on LebbenB's recommendation. Is that one of the brands you have tried? It fits my pocket book, and I was thinking of trying it with an Infrared wavelength laser. Limited in range to 150 yards, but for starters that would be fine by me, until my skill set with NV develops. Will be interested if that is one of the brands you have had durability problems with.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #37599 by JustMe
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Check out my post. www.ar10t.com/forums/rifle-scopes/10843-nvs-problems

Never used the Armasight, but I'd be very leery of any Gen 1 sight as the durability technology just wasn't there on these scopes. Make sure they have a very good full refund (including shipping/handling costs) policy in writing (don't trust what the salesman tells you over the phone) and not just for an equal replacement or you may get very frustrated with multiple unsuccessful trips to the range like I did. And many wasted nights I could have been hunting instead of mailing scopes back and forth and sitting on the range trying to sight in these undependable scopes. It's your time, ammo, and gamble. What's it worth to you?
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10 years 7 months ago #37605 by Libertarian623
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Sisco- Check out the DBAL for use with NVG's or monoculars. They make a civilian version that a lot of people like for coyotes and hogs.

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10 years 7 months ago #37606 by Libertarian623
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Found one here, good price to. www.ebay.com/itm/Laser-Devices-Class-I-I...&hash=item35d4943fcf
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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #37608 by JustMe
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As Dabu stated, the problem with using a laser is that they don't compensate for the arched trajectory of the bullet like a MilDot scope reticle can. For close shots or body shots where you have a larger kill/wound area, I imagine they might be satisfactory depending on what you are willing to accept as a humane animal shot. Also with enough practice you could make them work for longer shots by knowing how high to hold above the hog provided there is something to shine the laser on beyond the hog if a hold over is required. A laser dot would result in much more error for multiple range shots, but it may be satisfactory for your purposes. You'd still have to buy the night vision goggles to go with it.

Here's an example, of the errors for a 100yd 7.62 zero which will change depending on your rifle/ammo combination.
20 yds = 2 inches low
50 yds = 1 inch low
100 yds = zero
160 yds = 1 inch low
180 yds = 1.5 inches low
200 yds = 2.5 inches low
250 yds = 6.5 inches low
300 yds = 11.5 inches low
350 yds = 18 inches low

So, you can see as Dabu stated, the problem is that the laser will only be accurate at 100 yds. At all other ranges you will have to compensate. However, you may decide to limit your shots to 180 yds or less in my example and be satisfied with a 1.5 inch error added to the accuracy of your rifle/ammo combination. In other words, add the 1.5 inch laser error to your group size error. Lets say your rifle shoots a 2.5 inch group, so now add 1.5 and 2.5 and you have a 4 inch probability of error everytime you pull the trigger.
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10 years 7 months ago #37609 by Libertarian623
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Just me- You are correct with your chart, and your assumptions about accuracy. With variety of topography you need different hunting techniques and I can see that if you hunting over bait a NV scope may be the perfect impliment. While this is my first year of stand hunting I have been predominatly a stalk hunter for over 30 years. I have found that while hunting coyotes this winter visability is the main consideration in stand hunting and this winter it was terrible. Its fun waiting for a shot but I mainly desire to actively hunt, not alot of people do this type of hunting mainly because they just don't have the square miles to practice this type of hunting. I think if I was trying to eradicate as many animals as I could I would be stalk hunting at closer ranges and utilizing a DBAL and NVG's . Movement at night is very difficult even with NVGs and while not impossible to use a scope for movement the rate would be slow and your noise signature would be unacceptable. I have literally walked more than a hundred miles with NVGS and probably spent a thousand hours of observation time behind a pair of goggles, so I feel very comfortable with them where others may not. Also a set of NVG's and a DBAL gives you total fire superiority in some type of home defence situation, just a bonus having a double duty weapon. These are the reasons why I offered the DBAL for consideration. Dabu I would suggest you take up stalk hunting it fills the void sometimes left when we leave service its not perfect but it helps.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #37610 by JustMe
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I made that same recommendation to a friend for home defense - use NVGs and a laser. It's quick if you don't count the time it takes to find the NVGs (hopefully the batteries are still good), put them on, retrieve the weapon, and then stalk through your house looking for trouble. My experience every time I want to use my battery powered drill or flashlight is the battery is dead from sitting so long. I'm not concerned about that as our crime rate where I live is very low. Personally, I like the ambush tactic rather than the search and destroy tactic and would rather wait for them to come to me with the first thing they hear is the hammer hitting the firing pin. I prefer to take advantage of the element of surprise and when you are walking through your house, you lose some of that due to the noise you're making. You can't help but make some noise even if it's heavy breathing or the wife constantly asking you what's going on. LOL

I also love to stalk hunt, but it's difficult here due to the dense vegetation. Used to do a lot of stalk hunting in South Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana. Miss it.
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10 years 7 months ago #37615 by Libertarian623
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My favorite hunting is the north side of a east/west running river bank, in a thicket. Its like a whitetails favorite bedding area during daylight hours. You get so close you'll swear they can hear your heart beating. I use a pistol or bow.

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10 years 7 months ago - 10 years 7 months ago #37623 by Siscowet
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Stalk hunting is a lot more enjoyable than stand hunting, I don't think it would work so well for hogs no matter what the vegetation is like. They have too good of senses and too big a brain. Deer have good senses, they just don't have the brain to process the information that the hog does. They are smarter than a wolf or coyote for that matter. I am guessing when we go we will layout our stand and bait and do some measuring as far as distances. As far as home defence, I will stick to the tritium night sights on my Sig Sauer. Along with my red dot on my AR15 carbine, and let them come to me. A call to 911 and anything coming through the bedroom door is toast until help arrives. Moving opens you up to being outflanked, or separated from your loved ones, which could lead to a hostage situation where they can be used against you. I don't care what they take as long as my loved ones are safe. I can replace the rest.
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