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11 years 2 weeks ago #31907 by OleCowboy
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Backdoor gun control is here: no lead means no bullets
Written by Allen West on December 1, 2013


I am one who steers very clear of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. I often believe progressives plant stories in order to distract and disrupt, enabling them to pursue their true goals and objectives. That’s why I stress the importance of staying focused on the modern liberal socialist policies of the Obama administration, not the sideshow antics.

However, as a former combat commander, I have been trained to look for trends. And I believe we’ve found a very disturbing one. it seems that back door gun control is in full effect in the United States. Why? Thanks to Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), we can no longer smelt lead from ore in the United States.

The first contact the EPA made with The Doe Run Lead Smelter in Herculaneum, Missouri (population 2,800) was in 2008 but it was in 2010 that the EPA finally forced Doe Run to plan a shut down. This plant has been in operation since 1892 but will finally close its doors this month. It was the last lead smelting plant in the US.

The closedown is due to new extremely tight air quality restrictions placed on this specific plant. President Obama and his EPA raised the regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply.

In response to the Doe Run lead smelter shutdown, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the Doe Run Company “made a business decision” to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.

Of course this is why we need serious regulatory reform that precludes executive agency fiat, especially regulation implementation that exceeds a certain adverse financial impact to a private sector business.

Of course the canned progressive socialist response is “For years families with children near Doe Run’s facilities have been exposed to unacceptable levels of lead, one of the most dangerous neurotoxins in the environment,” said Cynthia Giles, assistant administrator for the EPA’s Office of Compliance and Enforcement Assurance. There are a few auxiliary lead processing plants remaining in the USA but their function is to re-claim lead from old batteries.

What this all means is that after December 2013, any ammunition that will be available to US citizens will have to be imported, which will surely increase the price and possibly come under government control. It seems this is fully in concert with the US Military and Homeland Defense recent purchase of large quantities of ammunition.


Read more at allenbwest.com/2013/12/backdoor-gun-cont...#Amj6QToJ5UBYhtIV.99

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31909 by jtallen83
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You would think it would be a national security issue to keep at least one lead smelter working.......................but then it makes perfect sense if the goal is to weaken America. My Grandfather would be livid!

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31916 by dfc5343
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So I head to the local indoor range (rare appearance on my part) a couple weeks back to pre sight in the 700. I walk in with an ammo can full of mil 7.62 and commercial Federal 168. The dude behind the counter wants to "check" my ammo. I comply and he runs a magnet thru the ammo. Low and behold the mil ammo is steel cored. Now all my years in the mil I thought FMJ was lead. Well it used to be. Now its all going steel. I don't really see an issue with steel core ammo anyways.Maybe the purists hate it I guess. I can't tell the difference. Lead was and steel is now. Where could there ever not be ammo available? Steel is everywhere. Technology and the usless EPA could be creating a new ammo trend but it will always be available. Regardless, stop the control of guns by controlling idiots from getting them. The law abiders will be fine and the US a safer place IMO.

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31919 by Siscowet
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dfc5343 wrote: So I head to the local indoor range (rare appearance on my part) a couple weeks back to pre sight in the 700. I walk in with an ammo can full of mil 7.62 and commercial Federal 168. The dude behind the counter wants to "check" my ammo. I comply and he runs a magnet thru the ammo. Low and behold the mil ammo is steel cored. Now all my years in the mil I thought FMJ was lead. Well it used to be. Now its all going steel. I don't really see an issue with steel core ammo anyways.Maybe the purists hate it I guess. I can't tell the difference. Lead was and steel is now. Where could there ever not be ammo available? Steel is everywhere. Technology and the usless EPA could be creating a new ammo trend but it will always be available. Regardless, stop the control of guns by controlling idiots from getting them. The law abiders will be fine and the US a safer place IMO.

:I-agree:

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31934 by OleCowboy
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Sisco, 13 Fox, dfc, steel vs lead. What about the weight difference? Its my guess its big enough to have a major effect upon ballistics...what is your thinking???

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11 years 2 weeks ago - 11 years 2 weeks ago #31936 by Siscowet
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It will to start. But the lead issue has been coming for a long time. Cowboy, our whole generation actually has brain damage to some extent from the leaded gas that used to be used. Accuracy and terminal ballistics will be affected short term. I am pretty confident that cartridge manufacturers are aware of this and are researching non lead alternatives. Same thing going on with fishing tackle. I use lead downrigger weights but will be changing to steel ones that use a hydrodynamic shape to compensate for decreased density. Lead toxicities are pretty well documented. A gun club that my Dad and I used to belong to closed down, and had to sift out 30 years of bullets out of the backstop soil! Unfortunately they could not get the lead shot out of the ponds, and a number of endangered trumpeter swans ended up dying from lead poisoning after ingesting lead shot. Also up here we have lost a good number of eagles from ingesting lead from gut piles from deer season that contained lead bullet fragments. For hunting I will eventually switch to Cor-Bon copper bullets, and leave lead for target practice. 22lr will be really be affected I would think because of the small size. It is coming whether we like it or not, and has some good science behind it as to why.
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11 years 2 weeks ago #31937 by MrMarty51
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jtallen83 wrote: You would think it would be a national security issue to keep at least one lead smelter working.......................but then it makes perfect sense if the goal is to weaken America. My Grandfather would be livid!

........................... :I-agree: ..................................................

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11 years 2 weeks ago - 11 years 2 weeks ago #31940 by dfc5343
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Considering all the lead dive weights I have handled and made I can now tell the VA why myself and every other diver has brain damage...

I can assume as well that the stoppage of lead ammo could cause the indoor range business to collapse. Steel would cause frag issues indoors. I also think that I leave an indoor range a little dumber than when I entered. Maybe thats the cause of retardation of those who live in those places. IMO of course :sleep:
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11 years 2 weeks ago #31942 by 10-76
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These are the components which are the commodities of the next rich and wealthy.

Couple years ago our landfill put "Security" on the car battery disposal unit-thieves ahead of the curve?

There's plenty of guns in the U.S., and the best way to dismantle them is with ammo control. It's not a conspiracy. Any coincidence that DHS already has their 2.2 Billion rounds? Nope.

Anybody else remember that comedy piece where Chris Rock joked about this? The $5000 bullet.

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11 years 2 weeks ago #31944 by OleCowboy
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I remember not so many years ago 22 for $7.49 a brick, on sale for $5, later it was $10 on sale for $7.50 and I bought a LOT, I also shot a LOT so i have none in my closet...I bought 10 bricks one time, shot it all.

Look for taxes to go up on ammo like smokes...this OLD 'walk a mile for a Camel' smoker remembers buying it for a BUCK, yep, $1.00 per carton, .15 c a pack, .25 c in a machine.

No matter guns and ammo will be the currency of the 21 century.

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