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Armorer's School - Lizzie's "Report Card" Thread
11 years 4 weeks ago #32480
by jtallen83
-agree: When I was a kid you could find a gunsmith in about every town, now your lucky to find someone who CALLS themselves a gunsmith in one out of twenty!
I'm betting your doing fine, if there isn't a challenge then you'd be wasting your money. Just think how easy it will be when you start using modern power tools for all the work your doing by hand now, it'll all pay off with a higher skill level than those that never learned to do any hand work.
Keep up the good work :usa:
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Siscowet wrote: The tougher the course, the better Gunsmith/Armorer you will be. I give you all the credit in the world for doing that. We need more good gunsmiths!
-agree: When I was a kid you could find a gunsmith in about every town, now your lucky to find someone who CALLS themselves a gunsmith in one out of twenty!I'm betting your doing fine, if there isn't a challenge then you'd be wasting your money. Just think how easy it will be when you start using modern power tools for all the work your doing by hand now, it'll all pay off with a higher skill level than those that never learned to do any hand work.
Keep up the good work :usa:
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11 years 4 weeks ago #32491
by Siscowet
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jtallen83 wrote:
Siscowet wrote: The tougher the course, the better Gunsmith/Armorer you will be. I give you all the credit in the world for doing that. We need more good gunsmiths!
I'm betting your doing fine, if there isn't a challenge then you'd be wasting your money. Just think how easy it will be when you start using modern power tools for all the work your doing by hand now, it'll all pay off with a higher skill level than those that never learned to do any hand work.
Keep up the good work :usa:
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11 years 4 weeks ago #32512
by MrMarty51
only three I know of that actually has any equipment, and only one that I wood use.
When Liz gits done wit this school, She will be one that I wood trust to do any muscheen wurk on Mine fire-arms.
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Most gunsmiths around here, allz they wants todo, or can do, is replace parts, or order in components to put together an AR style a rifle.jtallen83 wrote:
Siscowet wrote: The tougher the course, the better Gunsmith/Armorer you will be. I give you all the credit in the world for doing that. We need more good gunsmiths!
I'm betting your doing fine, if there isn't a challenge then you'd be wasting your money. Just think how easy it will be when you start using modern power tools for all the work your doing by hand now, it'll all pay off with a higher skill level than those that never learned to do any hand work.
Keep up the good work :usa:
only three I know of that actually has any equipment, and only one that I wood use.
When Liz gits done wit this school, She will be one that I wood trust to do any muscheen wurk on Mine fire-arms.
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11 years 3 weeks ago #32593
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Thank you all for the encouragement. It helps a lot.
I accidentally added an extra "l" to Mr. Raley's name, btw. Just trivia.
I brought home some of the more recent work I've been graded on. I will get pictures of it soon.
We started another class today: Ballistics.
Finally, I feel like I know something again! LOL I knew that my repeated reading of Cartridges of the World (various editions) would come in handy some day. Later, my obsessive reading of Small Arms of the World will come in handy too, I'm sure. One of my friends at school had some problems last week taking apart a 1917 Enfield. She figured it out, but the process could have been much easier if I had my loose-leaf Firearms Disassembly Guide with me. So, that lives in my locker now, along with Small Arms of the World (9th), Machinery's Handbook (22nd), and various other things. The teachers aren't as concerned with our ability to memorize decimal equivalents of fractions, the drill size needed for any given tapped hole, or feed rates for various combinations of material and bits used - as long as we know where to *find* that information.
In other news: "someone" convinced me it would be a good idea to build another FAL. In particular, she convinced me that it should be an Israeli Heavy Barrel FAL. I was a little skeptical, until I realized that it could be built with the original barrel, handguard, and buttstock. I'd forgotten that the ATF counts a complete magazine as three parts, and there are completely US Made FAL magazines now. Add a receiver, pistol grip, hammer, trigger, and sear, and you've got enough parts you can even use the original muzzle device. In fact, since we're in Colorado now, there's only one source I know of for 10 round magazines, and they're US made. Fun right?
I accidentally added an extra "l" to Mr. Raley's name, btw. Just trivia.
I brought home some of the more recent work I've been graded on. I will get pictures of it soon.
We started another class today: Ballistics.
Finally, I feel like I know something again! LOL I knew that my repeated reading of Cartridges of the World (various editions) would come in handy some day. Later, my obsessive reading of Small Arms of the World will come in handy too, I'm sure. One of my friends at school had some problems last week taking apart a 1917 Enfield. She figured it out, but the process could have been much easier if I had my loose-leaf Firearms Disassembly Guide with me. So, that lives in my locker now, along with Small Arms of the World (9th), Machinery's Handbook (22nd), and various other things. The teachers aren't as concerned with our ability to memorize decimal equivalents of fractions, the drill size needed for any given tapped hole, or feed rates for various combinations of material and bits used - as long as we know where to *find* that information.
In other news: "someone" convinced me it would be a good idea to build another FAL. In particular, she convinced me that it should be an Israeli Heavy Barrel FAL. I was a little skeptical, until I realized that it could be built with the original barrel, handguard, and buttstock. I'd forgotten that the ATF counts a complete magazine as three parts, and there are completely US Made FAL magazines now. Add a receiver, pistol grip, hammer, trigger, and sear, and you've got enough parts you can even use the original muzzle device. In fact, since we're in Colorado now, there's only one source I know of for 10 round magazines, and they're US made. Fun right?
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11 years 3 weeks ago #32598
by Lizardette
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It's the upper receiver on an FAL, actually. I did have a chance to buy an 80% FAL receiver awhile ago. Even if I'd gotten it, I wouldn't be able to complete it at school. They have an FFL, but not a manufacturing license. It's true that an individual can make a firearm for personal use without any form of "permit" required, but if the finishing work on an 80% receiver takes place on the grounds of the school, the ATF will consider it to have been manufactured BY the school. They get held to stricter standards. It's not fair, but that's the way it is.
I can bring in a serial numbered receiver along with the kit and do the work to assemble it there though. All of the parts will need to be refinished anyway. Besides, then I can scrub the serial numbers off of the non-regulated parts (lower receiver, bolt (gone already), bolt carrier, etc. and re-number them to match the receiver I buy. Should be able to reparkerize all of the metal parts to match, and maybe stain the wooden furniture a darker color than its current bright blonde.
Oh, and here's the work that I was talking about:
That's a Depth Gauge (minus set screw), a good start on a Winchester Model 12 forend Wrench (still would need the forks bent and re-hardened), and... um, a quarter inch thick square of steel with a bunch of holes drilled and tapped in it. The screws are sizes and thread pitches that are pretty common, so I guess it could be used for identifying unknown screws.
I did have a chance to buy an 80% FAL receiver awhile ago. Even if I'd gotten it, I wouldn't be able to complete it at school. They have an FFL, but not a manufacturing license. It's true that an individual can make a firearm for personal use without any form of "permit" required, but if the finishing work on an 80% receiver takes place on the grounds of the school, the ATF will consider it to have been manufactured BY the school. They get held to stricter standards. It's not fair, but that's the way it is.I can bring in a serial numbered receiver along with the kit and do the work to assemble it there though. All of the parts will need to be refinished anyway. Besides, then I can scrub the serial numbers off of the non-regulated parts (lower receiver, bolt (gone already), bolt carrier, etc. and re-number them to match the receiver I buy. Should be able to reparkerize all of the metal parts to match, and maybe stain the wooden furniture a darker color than its current bright blonde.
Oh, and here's the work that I was talking about:
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That's a Depth Gauge (minus set screw), a good start on a Winchester Model 12 forend Wrench (still would need the forks bent and re-hardened), and... um, a quarter inch thick square of steel with a bunch of holes drilled and tapped in it. The screws are sizes and thread pitches that are pretty common, so I guess it could be used for identifying unknown screws.
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11 years 3 weeks ago #32600
by MrMarty51
My cousin has been rounding up His firearms, He has given Me two pistols two riles. He and His wife was in town today and was telling Me about an M1 Garand that He still has, He is going to be giving thet one to Mee tooo.
I try to not live in expectations, but, this time I juz caint hep Meself.With a great sense of humility of course. A very wonderfull person.
He said it`ll need some disasembling and cleaning/polishing of the internals, said it has a slight bit of binding somewheres and thought it was just needing some shining up. The 1917 Remington He gave Me still has signs of cosmoline smeared here and there, it had never been thoroughly cleaned when He bought it a LOT of years ago, I`m figuring the M1 will be the same way.
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Well now, I`da never thought about the school and the ATF and all, kind of a sad state of affairs on them being so stringent about "Finishingk Yuhr own pieces", but, I`da about guess they do that to cover themselves too.Lizardette wrote: It's the upper receiver on an FAL, actually.
I can bring in a serial numbered receiver along with the kit and do the work to assemble it there though. All of the parts will need to be refinished anyway. Besides, then I can scrub the serial numbers off of the non-regulated parts (lower receiver, bolt (gone already), bolt carrier, etc. and re-number them to match the receiver I buy. Should be able to reparkerize all of the metal parts to match, and maybe stain the wooden furniture a darker color than its current bright blonde.
Appears to be a nice start on your smithy toolz.Lizardette wrote: Oh, and here's the work that I was talking about:
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That's a Depth Gauge (minus set screw), a good start on a Winchester Model 12 forend Wrench (still would need the forks bent and re-hardened), and... um, a quarter inch thick square of steel with a bunch of holes drilled and tapped in it. The screws are sizes and thread pitches that are pretty common, so I guess it could be used for identifying unknown screws.
My cousin has been rounding up His firearms, He has given Me two pistols two riles. He and His wife was in town today and was telling Me about an M1 Garand that He still has, He is going to be giving thet one to Mee tooo.
I try to not live in expectations, but, this time I juz caint hep Meself.With a great sense of humility of course. A very wonderfull person.
He said it`ll need some disasembling and cleaning/polishing of the internals, said it has a slight bit of binding somewheres and thought it was just needing some shining up. The 1917 Remington He gave Me still has signs of cosmoline smeared here and there, it had never been thoroughly cleaned when He bought it a LOT of years ago, I`m figuring the M1 will be the same way.
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